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		<title>By: Men&#8217;s Rights Advocates and MGTOW &#171; Mr. Alighieri&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-82609</link>
		<dc:creator>Men&#8217;s Rights Advocates and MGTOW &#171; Mr. Alighieri&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would enjoy some intelligent MRA&#8217;s to explain for me their vision of the future if they were in control.  I would like to be shown their Utopia or whatever they choose to term their ideal future.  Right now from what I can gather it is very much a matter open to debate, even amongst the faithful. The only articulation of goals I have found is  MRA-principles-and-goals/. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I would enjoy some intelligent MRA&#8217;s to explain for me their vision of the future if they were in control.  I would like to be shown their Utopia or whatever they choose to term their ideal future.  Right now from what I can gather it is very much a matter open to debate, even amongst the faithful. The only articulation of goals I have found is  MRA-principles-and-goals/. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meadester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meadester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that my previous comment is directed at Fidel Bogen because it is a response to comments he made on &quot;Alas, a Blog.&quot; I am not mistaking him for the author or translator, at whom, in hindsight, my comment may have been been directed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that my previous comment is directed at Fidel Bogen because it is a response to comments he made on &#8220;Alas, a Blog.&#8221; I am not mistaking him for the author or translator, at whom, in hindsight, my comment may have been been directed.</p>
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		<title>By: Meadester</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-75130</link>
		<dc:creator>Meadester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crossposted from &quot;Alas, a Blog&quot;: 

fidelbogen, I have to agree with ballgame about this:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;I also couldn’t help but notice the irony of this clause in your list of things you struggle against, fidelbogen:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;    The legal commercialization of sexual relations and relations based upon affection;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

… being immediately followed by this other clause of things you struggle against:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;
    The presumed permissibility of an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the male gender;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whether you consider those who buy sex (overwhelmingly men) or those who sell sex (mostly, but not overwhelmingly women) to be exploited, you only compound their problems by criminalizing them (or even just criminalizing the other party thus driving their activity underground and making it more dangerous). To prohibit men from buying sex, even for &quot;their own good&quot; is an example of  &quot; an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the male gender,&quot; just as prohibiting women from selling sex is an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the female gender.&quot; 

Still I do agree with most of the rest of the document and would say it seems to be rooted in basic principles of fairness. I don&#039;t know if it defines &quot;what MRAs are all about,&quot; but it is a good start. Kind of an MRA equivalent to &quot;Feminism 101.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crossposted from &#8220;Alas, a Blog&#8221;: </p>
<p>fidelbogen, I have to agree with ballgame about this:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>I also couldn’t help but notice the irony of this clause in your list of things you struggle against, fidelbogen:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>    The legal commercialization of sexual relations and relations based upon affection;</p></blockquote>
<p>… being immediately followed by this other clause of things you struggle against:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>
    The presumed permissibility of an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the male gender;</p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>Whether you consider those who buy sex (overwhelmingly men) or those who sell sex (mostly, but not overwhelmingly women) to be exploited, you only compound their problems by criminalizing them (or even just criminalizing the other party thus driving their activity underground and making it more dangerous). To prohibit men from buying sex, even for &#8220;their own good&#8221; is an example of  &#8221; an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the male gender,&#8221; just as prohibiting women from selling sex is an autocratic imposition of behavioral rules upon the female gender.&#8221; </p>
<p>Still I do agree with most of the rest of the document and would say it seems to be rooted in basic principles of fairness. I don&#8217;t know if it defines &#8220;what MRAs are all about,&#8221; but it is a good start. Kind of an MRA equivalent to &#8220;Feminism 101.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Elam</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-75114</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, sir.  I have applied the credits.  And thank your for bringing these fine words to the English speaking world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, sir.  I have applied the credits.  And thank your for bringing these fine words to the English speaking world.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Randazzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Randazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mr. Elam

The gentleman&#039;s name is  Rino Della Vecchia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mr. Elam</p>
<p>The gentleman&#8217;s name is  Rino Della Vecchia.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Elam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ R. Randazzo

Hello and thanks for the fine work.  Is that the complete name of the author: Reno Dev?

I would like to credit him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ R. Randazzo</p>
<p>Hello and thanks for the fine work.  Is that the complete name of the author: Reno Dev?</p>
<p>I would like to credit him.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Randazzo</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-75104</link>
		<dc:creator>R.Randazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salve a tutti! R. Randazzo here.I haven&#039;t read my trans since I submitted it to Fidel.I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s a bit stiff,but Reno Dev.,the author,approved it so it&#039;s &quot;kosher.&quot; 

I am not a denizen of SYG,but I guess I should be.

I may be translating more for Fidel in future,so stay tuned.

Best Regards,
R.R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salve a tutti! R. Randazzo here.I haven&#8217;t read my trans since I submitted it to Fidel.I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s a bit stiff,but Reno Dev.,the author,approved it so it&#8217;s &#8220;kosher.&#8221; </p>
<p>I am not a denizen of SYG,but I guess I should be.</p>
<p>I may be translating more for Fidel in future,so stay tuned.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
R.R.</p>
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		<title>By: Fidelbogen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fidelbogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. Fidelbogen here. 

Yes, the Uomini3000 platform was translated from the Italian by Mr. Randazzo, at my request, some time back in December or January.

I am glad to see it posted on a kiosk at such a busy web traffic intersection, 
where thousands of people will see it. In the future, if anybody wants to know
what the &#039;men&#039;s movement&#039; is all about, this document states the case as well (or actually, better) than anything else I am aware of.

The only thing I would find fault with, is that it uses the feminist term &quot;genders&quot;, rather than &quot;sexes&quot;. (Apparently, &quot;gender&quot; is a correct translation of the Italian word found in the original document.)

For those who are interested, a PDF version of the U3000 platform is available for download HERE:

http://tinyurl.com/yd92w3k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Fidelbogen here. </p>
<p>Yes, the Uomini3000 platform was translated from the Italian by Mr. Randazzo, at my request, some time back in December or January.</p>
<p>I am glad to see it posted on a kiosk at such a busy web traffic intersection,<br />
where thousands of people will see it. In the future, if anybody wants to know<br />
what the &#8216;men&#8217;s movement&#8217; is all about, this document states the case as well (or actually, better) than anything else I am aware of.</p>
<p>The only thing I would find fault with, is that it uses the feminist term &#8220;genders&#8221;, rather than &#8220;sexes&#8221;. (Apparently, &#8220;gender&#8221; is a correct translation of the Italian word found in the original document.)</p>
<p>For those who are interested, a PDF version of the U3000 platform is available for download HERE:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yd92w3k" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yd92w3k</a></p>
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		<title>By: Factory</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-74873</link>
		<dc:creator>Factory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember where I first saw that one.  I believe Fidelbogen&#039;s site, but if I&#039;m not mistaken, R Randazzo is a denizen of SYG.  Fidelbogen may have more insight on that one though.

As for the Manifesto itself...obviously, I&#039;m a fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember where I first saw that one.  I believe Fidelbogen&#8217;s site, but if I&#8217;m not mistaken, R Randazzo is a denizen of SYG.  Fidelbogen may have more insight on that one though.</p>
<p>As for the Manifesto itself&#8230;obviously, I&#8217;m a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay R</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-74862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THE VALUE OF MASCULINITY

We reject any kind, however indirect, of denigration,
of offensiveness and devaluation, of the ethical, aesthetic,
and intellectual worth of the male gender; we repudiate
any diminution of the symbolic importance of the
masculine, and of the historical importance of male
endeavors visible and invisible, past present and future.&quot;

Had this been stated, and practiced, as part of the Principles and Goals of the Women&#039;s Movement, just think how differently things could have turned out.  If only.  Would a Men&#039;s Movement even have materialized?  Perhaps so, but in an atmosphere of mutual understanding, respect, and support, I would think, rather than as part of a necessary &quot;war effort.&quot;

This is our Declaration of Interdependence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THE VALUE OF MASCULINITY</p>
<p>We reject any kind, however indirect, of denigration,<br />
of offensiveness and devaluation, of the ethical, aesthetic,<br />
and intellectual worth of the male gender; we repudiate<br />
any diminution of the symbolic importance of the<br />
masculine, and of the historical importance of male<br />
endeavors visible and invisible, past present and future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had this been stated, and practiced, as part of the Principles and Goals of the Women&#8217;s Movement, just think how differently things could have turned out.  If only.  Would a Men&#8217;s Movement even have materialized?  Perhaps so, but in an atmosphere of mutual understanding, respect, and support, I would think, rather than as part of a necessary &#8220;war effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is our Declaration of Interdependence!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-74856</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting news! 
All over the world men are dealing with a very very similar set of problems that involve family law, social interaction, criminal law, and reproductive rights. Last night there was a guy from India that posted on andtimisandry.com about a sexist article in a publication there that was pretty bad.  It was his first time posting there and he asked that people write the editor.  
The international timbre of the movement is a tremendous bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting news!<br />
All over the world men are dealing with a very very similar set of problems that involve family law, social interaction, criminal law, and reproductive rights. Last night there was a guy from India that posted on andtimisandry.com about a sexist article in a publication there that was pretty bad.  It was his first time posting there and he asked that people write the editor.<br />
The international timbre of the movement is a tremendous bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Elam</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-74854</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Poiuyt

Respectfully disagree.  The mistreatment and maligning of males is quite thoroughly addressed in these principles.  Since it is misandry itself, irrespective of its source that is the problem, pointing to males monolithically is rendered unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Poiuyt</p>
<p>Respectfully disagree.  The mistreatment and maligning of males is quite thoroughly addressed in these principles.  Since it is misandry itself, irrespective of its source that is the problem, pointing to males monolithically is rendered unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Poiuyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposition, consistent with all activism for males across the western world fails to identifgy the singularly preeminent force and most important source of male degradation and diminishment in modern society. That is :  

Males themselves, their male culture and their male attitudes towards each other. The collapse of males has come about because of the instinctive enmity, disrespect, distrust and belligerance of males towards males.

Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposition, consistent with all activism for males across the western world fails to identifgy the singularly preeminent force and most important source of male degradation and diminishment in modern society. That is :  </p>
<p>Males themselves, their male culture and their male attitudes towards each other. The collapse of males has come about because of the instinctive enmity, disrespect, distrust and belligerance of males towards males.</p>
<p>Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Elam</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/04/mra-principles-and-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-74847</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Julie, I didn&#039;t know where it originally came from.  I had assumed it was from the Italian site.  I wrote them about it but have not heard back.

Once I get a confirmation from Fidelbogen that this is his, I will get the appropriate credit posted.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Julie, I didn&#8217;t know where it originally came from.  I had assumed it was from the Italian site.  I wrote them about it but have not heard back.</p>
<p>Once I get a confirmation from Fidelbogen that this is his, I will get the appropriate credit posted.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one Paul. I was around when Fidelbogan put this together and I put it up on an NZ menz site just less than a year ago. 

http://counterfem.blogspot.com/search?q=italian+manifesto

I am pleased it is getting international recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one Paul. I was around when Fidelbogan put this together and I put it up on an NZ menz site just less than a year ago. </p>
<p><a href="http://counterfem.blogspot.com/search?q=italian+manifesto" rel="nofollow">http://counterfem.blogspot.com/search?q=italian+manifesto</a></p>
<p>I am pleased it is getting international recognition.</p>
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