Show Trial Goes To New York
The significance of continuing growth in unemployment ranks has been obliterated from news headlines by an unexpected decision by the Administration: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay Sept. 11 terrorist detainees will be tried in a civilian federal courthouse in New York.
Democratic support for the decision argues that a civil trial would be a demonstration of America’s might and moral certainty, and such a trial would be further confirmation that America’s justice system is the envy of the world. Republicans counter that demonstrating such civility toward foreign terrorists seeking to destroy America’s way of life is a servile and underserved accommodation which would provide a dangerous platform.
This Administration is loath to acknowledge the term “War,” particularly as is relates to religious extremists. Does this Administration feel this way because the extremists have bases in various countries and are funded from numerous sources scattered around the world, and therefore it is reticent to antagonize those foreign governments? Is there a concern that acknowledging a war would by inference mean an indirect war on countries from Saudi Arabia to Indonesia? Events wherein people using powerful weapons, funded with hundreds of millions of dollars, launch attacks against a country, its people, its embassies and other outposts, are not just “criminal acts,” they are Wars. Pretending that perpetrators of such acts are not “at war,” but are conducting a broad, concerted effort of criminality, flies in the face of rather ordinary common sense.
Civil trials pointing the guns of American jurisprudence at the most infamous terrorists to have ever committed crimes against America on its own soil will become venues that will launch a new crop of lawyers onto the international stage. Could we dare suspect the Administration believes that a New York City trial for these most visible terrorists will keep the “blame Bush” fires alive.
The loud crowing we hear about exposing the world to the American judicial system is disingenuous. The Islamic world already knows the American system is different from its own and doesn’t care how. Most Islamic countries are dictatorships, by any other name, whose leaders don’t much desire open societies, or an American style rule of law. They know it, we know it, and the rest of the world already knows it.
On the other hand, a civil trial, and the legal hams and egos who will run that circus will expose America’s espionage and intelligence systems, and methodologies. We already know waterboarding was used, however, we can expect that it will be used by the defense, and in so doing, once again revisit the application of such torture, purposely putting the previous administration on trial.
We should note that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder stated that the five suspects prosecutors would likely seek the death penalty. This is not a very definitive statement, but he had to reassure New Yorkers that they would not likely run into these killers while shopping on Park Avenue. We should also note that Holder’s law firm, Covington & Burling, represents seventeen detainees of the Guantanamo Bay detention center. In time we will discover the true nature of such a conflict of interest. More importantly, given the nature of civil trials, the rights provided to (usually) American defendants, the discovery process and the eventual appeals process, American citizens will not find the hands of justice administering punishment on these fanatics until well over a decade has passed.
Fanaticism is deaf to all pleadings, be they judicial, political or personal entreaties. Pretending that a federal civil trial will be a victory against terrorism is flailing against an ill wind, and will accomplish little but inflate the self-righteous.
True and pure statesmanship should be untainted by idiosyncrasies of politics, or political provocation, however, this is evidently too much to ask for. This trial is guaranteed to become a proverbial three-ring circus. We may also become baffled as publicity ignites strange images on the streets of distant cities around the world, as lawyers play their games on this venue in New York freshly served up by the Administration.
James Raider writes The Pacific Gate Post
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Stumble It!
Harry, I don’t think you are an extremist. I just want you to know that.
I think you are a practical man and that means you can be trusted and that at the same time you are a man who is open minded and you work things out and that when you do, you say it how it is. Fine qualities, IMO.
I distributed your writing in pamphlet form last Friday at the hospital to the doctors, nurses and other staff. It is pretty cool that people react to a heading that says, “Men simply don’t count for much.”
I have gotten to the stage where I just look women in the eye who I can see having a hard time accepting this and say, “Don’t be a bitch and don’t come running after me and say I don’t understand women’s issues.”
…This isn’t one of those things [I find reprehensible]…
@Paul
Not using the razor to supplant the scientific method. The hypothesis is incorrect: that many small fires brought down WTC 7. Saying this leads one to imagine that simply a bunch of burning desks brought it down. Ergo the rather useless citation of thousands of “regular” fires that have always collapsed buildings asymmetrically. A large portion of WTC 7 was scooped out, including supporting columns, by debris that was expelled from the other towers. Even knocking out only one or two of its supporting columns placed enough stress on all of the columns for them to break simultaneously. Again, this was no ordinary fire, as I doubt major supporting columns are routinely knocked out in most fires. The comparison with ordinary fires is fallacious.
There are enough issues raised by conspiricists (word?) that have been very plausibly explained—molten aluminum yellowed by organic matter and thermite as a result of molten aluminum oxidized by the SiO2 in the wall board, just to name two—so that one can finally say, “Enough of this nonsense.” They add complexity to the explanation and are shown to be as easily explained in the “ordinary” scenario. Occam’s razor steps in at this point. And common sense suggests the rest of the objections are similarly without merit.
@Harry
Sorry, didn’t mean to be patronizing. It’s in my nature, so I’ve become accustomed to accidentally po’ing people. Just trying to have fun and inject some humour and style. I’m really a nice and accommodating guy, and far more open to even considering things I disagree with and even find reprehensible (this isn’t one of those things).
As I said before though, intelligence is all about data filtering. We ALL do it, and it is appropriate to do so. After all, maybe I only watched half the film, but maybe you only read half the documents on the topic that are out there. And after you’ve read all the documents, what then? Do you need to personally conduct all the possible experiments?
I can smell fallacious reasoning and nonsense in the presence of just one molecule of it. I gave that guy one whole hour! Not saying it’s BS—just saying he’s wrong. Has some points. They just don’t merit the full Nelson. No need to read the entire description of the next perpetual motion machine, yah know.
For a counterpoise, try http://www.debunking911.com . Yeah, this guy’s research might be flawed, too. Which is why you always carry that razor in your back pocket.
NIST Finally Admits Freefall – in three parts, …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0GHVEKrhng
(25 min in total)
@jjtaup
I don’t need a long lecture on the scientific method, thank you – nor did I appreciate your patronising post – particularly since you only watched half the lecture.
@Paul Elam
I have actually watched the film twice now, and I have to say that the physics just does not fit with the notion that the building collapsed in the way that it did merely as a result of fire on the top floors.
Unfortunately, I felt that the lecturer did not spend enough time discussing where on earth the energy came from to do all that appeared to happen.
His view that the gravitational (potential) energy stored in the mass of the top sections simply could not have done what it appeared to do, seems right to me.
And how on Earth such large chunks of metal shot out 200 feet in a lateral direction without some kind of explosion beats me!
There could well be a legitimate explanation for all that happened without invoking timed explosions, but it is quite clearly the case that this utterly unique circumstance – so important to the whole world – has not been investigated properly at all.
And this is surely outrageous – as well as suspicious.
@ jjtaup
I think the whole point of Occam’s razor is that it is a reasonable formula to select hypotheses, but using it to supplant the scientific method itself is like sword fighting with a toothpick. Bottom line, if one hypothesis, e.g. lots of small fires brought down building 7 at free fall rates in one uniform pile in the precise duplication of a controlled demolition, doesn’t work, then you must experiment again with a different hypothesis. You can’t just whip out Occam’s razor and use it to ignore results and quit testing.
There are legitimate scientific questions raised by the actual research cited in that video that deserve answers if they are obtainable with the evidence that still remains. Your razor cuts to the core of exactly none of it.
@Harry,
Thanks for the link. I watched about an hour. Must admit I am hard pressed for time. Intelligence, however, is all about data filtering, and I’ve seen enough to confirm my belief. Mind if we go for a shave with Occam’s razor…?
Here is what intelligence has to say about the tumor removed through the sufferer’s belly button on stage in front of ten thousands by the Healer from God–”I say AMEN…do you BELIEVE?!! Your faith has HEALED you!!!”–sluuurrrp, suck, YUCK. “Look, Ma. No more tumor!”:
Negative. Did not happen. Cannot happen. (Oh, yes! But it can. Anything can happen with just the right spin on the 2p orbital followed by a simultaneous winking out of all bubblegum flavored quarks in the 10th dimension of string heaven. I’ll give it a 10^-100 chance. Probably still too big. You see, I really do believe in everything–but not all at once.)
So the razor takes care of 99.9% of the evidence I need that GWB did NOT pump the dynamite plunger at the count of 3 so that we could, as one T-shirt put it, **make an instant a-hole…just add oil!**. No–airplanes really saw, they really came, they really conquered. They weren’t holograms, they weren’t balloons, they weren’t mass hypnosis, they weren’t radio controlled models. They were airplanes. On board were people. They’re dead now. Serving hors devours were 19 Muslim. Airplane hit building. Building fall down. Razor shaves smooth and clean.
Pushing instead of pulling, but in the same direction, to execute the “controlled explosion” theory would require one—no, two…no, maybe three—well, let’s just say a whole hunch of government operatives making measurements, planting explosives, running wires, planting lookouts, etc., etc. Unless Boosh took a lunch off on the 10th—in that case he could have done it all himself. Still, someone would have seen the horrific “plumber’s crack” as he sledgehammered out the walls to install the nano-thermite around the steel columns, sweat dripping down his moustache-and-glasses disguise. The razor SEZ: smooth as a baby’s bottom—no whiskers there.
Ok, the razor has spoken, but having had its say, the remaining 0.1% of the probability existing way beyond the Twilight Zone where the Indian rope trick reaches towards Brahma should at least be given some review. I don’t say the impossible is impossible–again, I believe in everything. Except this, because…
–(From the video) So of thousands (or more) of buildings brought down by fire, none ever collapsed straight down on themselves? Ergo the twin towers weren’t brought down by fire? I agree. Of the thousands of spitwads I shot in grammar school, none ever killed anyone; hence, when police shoot someone, it should just make for comedy. Answer: the WTC was not a spitwad. It wasn’t your everyday Goodwill furniture fire. It was a missile that cut through the building, blew out its columns, and spilled humongous gobs of kerosene everywhere. More importantly, the missiles spilled their molten aluminum everywhere.
–x% of people believe this? y% of people believe that? Yes, which is why I commit thought crimes on a regular basis: I think for myself.
–All those sinister quotes by Boosh and Buddies about “Hey, Baby, if you like this, you ain’t seen nothing yet!”? Therefore he did and will continue to do it? Isn’t that the same logic the good folks from “We’re here to help you” use when tazaring, cuffing, and extricating a father from his home? Hey, the man told his witch, “Look , babe…you keep going to bars at night—that’s going to get you in trouble. I see blood in your future!” Guilty!
–The very damaging evidence for thermite? The conspiracy theorist here are right. Going back to the stuff that was flowing from right where the big aluminum-framed plane crashed that couldn’t be aluminum because it wasn’t silvery?—it was aluminum. The organic matter (furniture, plastic, dead people, etc.) that was mixed in it gave it its orange appeal. (BTW, WTC were both clad in aluminum siding, so plenty of this stuff for all the kids to share.) So we have aluminum heated well above its melting point flowing like a river. Did you know that aluminum is a common component of thermite? And that oxides like rust or the silicon oxides in gypsum wallboard, of which WTC had TONS, can cause a thermite reaction? At that temperature, even water can be the oxidizer. It’s not only possible, it’s likely. The theorists are right. There was thermite.
Ok, enough shaving. There’s more, and the more you look, the less you find. Yes, everything’s possible, quite a bit fewer things are likely, and some things happened just the way they looked. I DO ADMIT, I may be wrong, and the conspiracy theorists may be correct. It has happened before. I will not lay my bets that way, though, and I will still sleep exceedingly soundly at night.
As for conspiracies and cabals, here’s a story my uncle used to tell me about the ant hill: See that ant hill. It’s got a name, Aunt Hillary. Because it is, itself, an living organism. It has a design, a purpose, and a pattern of behavior that cannot be attributed or distributed to the ants, themselves. No ant knows that it is making a colony. No ant tells its buddy, “Hey, you and I are involved in a graaaaand scheme to build an empire where we can live in security and happiness and the love and joy of each other.” Each ant just goes dweedle-deedle-doodle-dum with its feelers and does the next reflexive action that comes naturally and, voila—Aunt Hillary is born.
So it is with men. While they may sometimes sit around tables and greet each other with spooky handshakes and sign documents declaring their liberty, most often the results of their collective actions are born of just dweedle-deedle-dumming their feelers in sympathetic resonance with one another. The default resonance is corruption, just as it is rust for a car and termites for wood and general fatigue and breakdown for any machine. When men do not actively fight the innate corruption you get the Labour party, the RINO party, Boosh, Bill “BJ” Clinton, and Zero. And you get the derelict western governments we see today like gobs of snot suffocating the land. And they don’t give a damn about the people or the nation or the constitution or the borders or the security. They care only about power, which becomes the controlling evil which leads to porous border, an infected body, a lack of oversight, and sorrow and death. THAT is the real conspiracy—no handshakes necessary. And yes, the government always and forever works to cover that up. And the very ignorant people continue to go “Baaaaahhhhhh, baaaaaaahhhh,” let’s elect the same whore, different suit, to lead us to our slaughter.
Hey everybody…there’s a whale here somewhere, I know it. I FEEL it! Just keep looking…just keep looking. When we find it, we’ll finally get it.
@ Harry
I have seen many videos like this one but none so compelling as the one you linked to.
I have long not trusted my governments version of much of anything. 9/11 is no exception.
Sorry, Kevin. I shouldn’t have been so sarcastic. Let me rephrase in a more measured and analytically justified manner.
What I mean by my former comment is that I think you are deluded. I think that you are suffering from paranoia by whose appetite for cosmically deep antagonism and fear you have allowed to invade your mind and soul. Now the mind that alters, alters all, and with respect to 9/11 and probably other events you can no longer distinguish the probable and plausible from the fanciful and phantasmagorical.
The government needs no conspiracy theories about anything. People are entirely stupid enough to embrace the most suicidal beliefs and policies all on their own. The government hardly needs to sponsor any conspiracy theories involving the economy for just about half the nation to believe that it is prudent to “spend ourselves out of debt” on the order of trillions of dollars, now does it? They just smile and do it, and the people go “baaaaahhhh baaaaaahhhh” all by themselves. Such precious little lambs!
You further have the “torture” upside down. Here…Imagine that you are in a dark, musty dungeon, tied to a toilet, gagged and cuffed having just been whipped and your breath stopped over and over nearly to the point of suffocation. You are subject to the most visceral verbal abuse, and weights and ropes are applied to your genitals and at times pulled and tightened. **SMACK** The absolutely voluptuous dominatrix delivers another blow to your groin then proceeds to use you as her urinal.
Mmmmmm! That’s not toture. That’s HEAVEN–the kind that say, Senator Reid or Leahey or any number of our prozac stuffed shiny suits would pay bottomless barrels of our cash for. They are just filled with so much kindness to allow the poor waifs they randomly pick up from distant lands to enjoy. All for FREE. My friend, as many in our government can tell you–that’s not torture!
Now, let me attempt to steer you in the correct direction: 0 is having show trials so as to serve up a delicious feast to his hate-engorged base, allowing the United States, itself, to be put on trial. Yes, Bushy Bushy will get his, and so will we all, melted down into a nice, colorless, tasteless liquid known as the new world order. BTW, if I were you I wouldn’t be so open about your 9/11 beliefs, because when your trial comes, I think the legal system will have been so contorted and bypassed that you probably could be executed for the eensie weensie bit of dope you smoked in 93.
Lastly, chemicals that are injected, inhaled, or smoked, while they can be fun, can also cause lasting damage. All you need to do is look at our congress and realize that the majority and more are on multiple simultaneous meds in addition to their various other illegal drugs they injest. And just look at them! (Not for too long–it’s really scary.)
So I mean everything I’ve said quite factually and matter of factually–not sarcastically or facetiously. There’s no need for sarcasm in the face of the ever twisted reality under construction. And while it may appear that the above are opinions, really they are more of the nature of inference, both deductive and inductive, informed by facts and experience, both mine and others with whom I have spoken and about whom I’ve read. (Really, if you know anything about reality, you know that the pathetically trite categories we construct are merely useful guides, not ontologically immutable existents).
Ok, so let me know what you think.
Kevin, Paul, jjtaup
Did you see this lecture on video at the top of my page here, …
http://www.harrysnews.com/pgtechnology.htm
… it’s fascinating.
LOL! Kevin. I tried to figure out a way to edit down your last comments, but couldn’t without rewriting the whole thing so I zapped it.
Anway, you made your point, so let’s move on.
Thanks
@ Kevin Merk
This is not an attack, but a warning. I understand that the post you were responding to was provocative, and I will say there were parts, but not all of your post that I agree with.
That being said, this is not a high school locker room where we insult each others families for the sake of making a point.
You have some valid points to make. Take it to another level, please.
@jjatup
You, Joe P. and Squiggy must all share the same bestial abomination for a mother. You probably didn’t have a father in the house or you would all have better manners.
I don’t mean to be too harsh, because I realize you’re all the product of a fatherless home, abhorrent beastly whore for mother and generations of inbreeding to boot.
Next time you may want to comment on the article instead of taking cheap shots (not intended to be a pun on your mother) at commentators.
I expect to be attacked for speaking on this subject, but it usually comes from much better people than you and your [edited] brothers.
Kevin, can we please close The Martian Chronicles and talk about what happened on earth? That wasn’t nano-thermite, it was kryptonite! That’s why Superman didn’t come that day.