The Fear of Loss and the Need for Approval: How Abusive Women Control Men


Why is it so difficult for men who are being controlled by narcissistic, borderline, histrionic and other abusive women to end the relationship? What keeps them tethered to these abusive personalities sometimes even after the relationship has ended?

There are two basic hooks this kind of woman uses to keep men on a readily yank-able chain: the fear of loss and the need for approval. These are the two most powerful control devices in their arsenal. The worst part is that, in many cases, men unwittingly play right into their hands.

The Fear of Loss

The fear of loss is an especially powerful mechanism. It could be the fear of losing the relationship, fear of losing your children, your reputation or your money and other assets. Inducing fear, guilt, shame and a sense of obligation are how abusive women control you. If you’re afraid of loss and your wife/girlfriend/ex knows it, you’re basically at her mercy.

Abusive women will:

  • Threaten you with abandonment. “If you don’t ‘shape up,’ I’m leaving.”
  • Threaten to alienate your children from you or deny you access to them. “If you don’t do as I say, I’m going to tell your son what a bastard you are” or “If you leave you’ll never see your kids again.”
  • Threaten to destroy your career. “I’m going to tell everyone at your office what a sick pervert you are.”
  • Threaten to take all your money. “You owe me. I’m entitled.”

Many of these women will implicitly or explicitly communicate that you’ll never meet anyone else like them. Let’s hope not. The resulting fear is that no other women will want you or find you attractive, which is nonsense. The reality is that emotionally abusive women are a dime a dozen. There’s nothing special about them—except for their highly dysfunctional and toxic characterological traits. You need to change your mindset. Perhaps by “losing” the relationship, you will, ultimately, “win.”

There are far better woman in the world who will treat you with kindness, respect, generosity and mutual consideration. You’re not lucky this woman “puts up with you;” she’s lucky that you put up with her. Being alone is better than being in an abusive relationship. If being on your own is too difficult at first; get a dog or a goldfish.

As for losing your assets, your children and your reputation, these are very real losses. However, if you’re persistent, you can regain and rebuild anything you lose. It won’t be exactly the same, but the longer you stay with this woman, the more you’ll lose—financially and emotionally. It’s confounding. Men are punished by the courts (i.e., spousal support) for staying in the marriage longer in an effort to work things out. You think you’re doing the right thing by hanging in there, but you’re actually giving your wife more power to hurt you when you finally divorce. Therefore, it’s better to get out sooner than later when you notice how lopsided, hurtful and inequitable your relationship is.

Kids are a tough one. You may well lose time with and access to your child(ren). On the other hand, consider what you’re modeling by staying in an abusive relationship. It’s better for a child to have one healthy and strong parent than two dysfunctional ones.

Exactly what are you afraid of losing? The abuse? The emotional withdrawal and rejection? Being made to feel less than? If this were anyone other than your wife/girlfriend/ex, would you want to even know this person? Have you challenged these fears with your intellect or are you being led by your “gut?”

When you fear loss, you need to stop “listening to your gut” and use your mind to reality test your fears. Abusive women are master manipulators who employ emotional reasoning that has very little to do with the facts of a situation. The emotionally based attacks also serve to confuse you and cloud your judgment. Therefore, when you’re afraid, stop listening to your gut and start reasoning with your brain.

Don’t just succumb to your fears; CHALLENGE THEM with your intellect, not the emotional reasoning that only reinforces them. More often than not, your fears are just distorted, self-limiting beliefs sown by your wife/gf/ex. By giving into your fear, you’re voluntarily walking into a cage and handing her the key. The truth is you have the power to release yourself. You will love again. You will find happiness. But you will only do so without this woman.

The Need for Approval

Another highly effective device abusive women use to control you is denying approval and acceptance. It’s natural to want to be liked and admired—especially by the person you love. Being criticized, demeaned, rejected and told repeatedly, “not good enough,” “you don’t measure up,” or that you’ve “failed again” is demoralizing. It also spurs you on to try even harder to please her and herein lies the problem: These women are never satisfied. Nothing you do will ever be good enough. She will never bestow upon you the kind of love and acceptance you seek.

You’re perpetuating a sick dynamic by seeking approval from someone who’ll never give it to you. Why? Because these women experience giving approval to others as a psychological and visceral loss. To tell you, “nice job” or “I appreciate you” somehow makes her feel less than and, as you well know, these women won’t tolerate that for a second.

Why does your wife’s/girlfriend’s/ex’s approval mean so much to you? Do you actually respect her and the way she conducts herself? A woman like this is an abusive, entitled and incredibly self-serving bully, so why do you care what she thinks?  Seeking approval from someone who takes pleasure in cutting you down is a recipe for disappointment and pain.

The Way Out

Don’t let her solicited and unsolicited opinions get to you anymore. Recognize them for what they are: Abusive control tactics. Your overall goal is emotional detachment, which means you’re not invested in the outcome of this relationship. Once you’re no longer afraid of “losing” or care about receiving her approval, you’ll see the balance of power in the relationship shift.

She will be less able to “get to you,” which is a good thing. You’ll begin to care less, which is psychologically freeing. You’ll become more immune to the traps she sets and she won’t be able to figure out what the hell is happening. As you step out of this dysfunctional emotional dynamic, she’ll escalate her nasty behaviors as she frantically tries to maintain control and bully you back into place. She’ll be uncharacteristically speechless when her tried and true control devices no longer work.

Just remember, the more you commit to taking care of yourself, the more embittered she’ll grow. She’ll accuse you of being “selfish,” “inconsiderate” and “uncaring.” This is a good sign—for you. Abusive women view any attempt you make at self-care and growth as a grave betrayal. How dare you do something positive for yourself? How dare you not let her make you feel bad?

The more you put your needs first, the stronger and healthier you’ll become and your attraction to this supremely unhealthy woman should diminish. Abusive women remain in control by keeping you disoriented, hurting and in a psychologically weakened state. This is why she becomes alarmed when she sees you taking care of yourself.

Even if you don’t initially believe it, the freedom from abuse you’ll gain by ending this relationship will eventually outweigh any material losses you incur. You need to realize that you don’t have an actual relationship with this woman; it’s an autocracy in which she’s the petty tyrant and you live to serve. Furthermore, a woman like this isn’t capable of true intimacy and empathy, which are prerequisites for a healthy relationship. Your happiness lies in the future with someone else; not her.

Sadly, you may well see your children less or suffer through watching your ex turn them into her human shields, protectors and weapons to hurt you. However, by staying in an abusive relationship you’re exposing your children to a very unhealthy model of adult relationships. Nevertheless, this is a heartbreaking choice for many fathers. It may cost you money and potentially damage your relationship with your children, but what’s the cost of happiness, sanity and freedom from abuse?

by Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD

Originally posted on July 27, 2009 at A Shrink for Men.

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  • iamdpull

    I am a man, 48 years of youth. I’ve been in an abusive relationship for four years now and today, I made the decision to end the nightmare. Filled with the daily barrage of insults, bitterness, dirty looks and downright meanness, I’ve finally reach the point where I can no longer be subject to such abuse. I found myself so hesitant and cautious. Never could do enough to please this individual. When problems surfaced, the blame was on me. I climbed into a hole and couldn’t be myself. The constant bashing… what a waste! Today is a new day and I am a new person. I have a counseling appointment this afternoon and I feel better than I’ve felt in months. The fear of loss is truly a powerful weapon, (one of many) used against me. The greatest line I take from this writing is – “if you’re persistent, you can regain and rebuild anything you lose. It won’t be exactly the same, but the longer you stay with this woman, the more you’ll lose—financially and emotionally.”
    Thank you for being here! I will rebuild and I will regain me; because it’s important!
    I will update you soon on my progress!
    Pull

  • Darlene

    WOW! How you just described these women; You also describe my ex AND his lady friend right to the -T-. my concern; my daughter
    who has been sucessfully alieniated now for 3 years from everyone that she ever knew and grew up with for her 1st 10 years of life.
    mother, two brother’s, aunts, uncles, cousins, “her only set of living grandparents”, friends and family members from our church etc…
    the town she grew up in.
    my mistake: I wanted her to know her father. Well She is.
    If only we can predict the extent of their extreme evilness.
    I naively didn’t think any parent could use their own kid.
    If it wouldn’t be for what I’m going through right now, I never would have realize all the hurt and evil that Sooo many people is going through. Anyway, I got of tract. These kind of people only care about what they want, about what makes them happy.
    Holding out love and approval and keeping there new unsuspected victims away from other people who loves them IS how they control them. These people don’t have empathy, a conscience or a heart.
    At least I can’t seem to see it.

  • julie

    @ Trust# 19,

    ***I think he was guilty of murder. As bad as his wife was, that did not give him right to kill her.***

    I agree with you that he didn’t have a right to kill her. But I am thinking that he was isolated and abused for 20 years and that he would have been well broken to the stage he was just a doormat.

    It is a terrible space to be in and I think it gets so low that the person can’t even make a decision.

    And I wonder even if he wanted to seek help if it was available. We don’t show anywhere that society cares for abused men. All we show is men need to stop battering.

    ***What I find curious is the comparison between his sentence and the sentence of Mary Winkler, who didn’t seem to be abused as bad as the man in this story. Nonetheless, she served 7 months–about 1 month for every 2 years he was sentenced.

    Both were guilty of murder, but they weren’t handled nearly the same.***

    I wish I had read you comment before I wrote about this myself. This would have been a good way to go. It is a very good point IMO.

  • Trust

    @Julie’s #17-18 posts

    I think he was guilty of murder. As bad as his wife was, that did not give him right to kill her.

    What I find curious is the comparison between his sentence and the sentence of Mary Winkler, who didn’t seem to be abused as bad as the man in this story. Nonetheless, she served 7 months–about 1 month for every 2 years he was sentenced.

    Both were guilty of murder, but they weren’t handled nearly the same.

  • julie

    Ref # 17

    Oops, sorry, he was not a homicide detective. I read that wrong.

  • julie

    Hi Dr. Tara.

    What I wrote about in my comment #16 happened to a man whose story is news online in New Zealand today.

    **** Homicide Detective Anthony Sherna killed his partner after suffering years of abuse and has now been sentenced to 14 years in jail.

    For almost 20 years he submitted in order to keep the peace. When she demanded he change his surname to prove he loved her, he agreed.

    When she insisted he not see his friends or family, he complied. When she taunted him by resuming an affair with a former boyfriend and suggested he ”grow some balls”, he swallowed the insults.

    When she said he was too smelly to use the toilet at home, he restrained himself until he arrived at work. When she refused to let him sleep in their double bed, he dossed down in the spare room on a camp stretcher.

    He was sole breadwinner but she rationed his cigarettes – just 12 each day – and controlled their money. Each week after withdrawing the housekeeping money he handed over the cash, his ATM card and receipts.****

    The whole article wonderfully describes your work.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/3082364/Battered-husband-who-snapped

  • julie

    To Paul Elam and Dr. Tara,

    When I put what you have both said together, I see an unhealthy picture.

    Paul says, “And I witnessed the same in the households of my male peers. It was part and parcel to a culture of emotional incest, where boys are the “little men of the house” filling in Mama’s emotional vacuum in the absence of working fathers.

    It was also, as male personalities developed, the singular source of “emotional existence” available.

    I think that is attributable to the fact that as men we are socialized, often brutally, to channel all of our emotions through the primary female in our lives and to shut it down elsewhere. We are conditioned to be fearless, emotionless performers; tough as leather in the competitive world of men.

    We “feel” only in the presence of women. We emotionally “exist” only under their purview. Only women can see our vulnerabilities…only women can validate and heal them.

    And by that only women can give us a sense of complete worth.”

    Dr Tara writes about, “The Fear of Loss and the Need for Approval”.

    I mean, if someone isn’t the victim or is unable to deal with this in a balanced way, this could go another way and it could go to an extreme if the person is unable to understand this.

    I hope you can understand that I am reading between the lines too and am wondering whether society is dealing with this.

    Maybe I am not seeing something right but if I am, we are raising a generation of seriously screwed up young men.

    Let me know what you think.

  • http://shrink4men.wordpress.com Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    @Steven

    I would never tell a male target of one of these women he was to blame or that it was all his fault. Everyone must take responsibility for their own choices, however, this isn’t about blame.

    The situation you describe is incredibly unjust and it’s natural to have an extreme reaction to it—it’s merited. My point is that it doesn’t serve an angry father/ex-husband to go off half-cocked in the legal system or to violate court orders. Sorry for the confusion, I wasn’t directing these comments at you.

    I believe in personal accountability for all. As a man, saying “I made this choice and then this choice and here’s what happened” isn’t about blame. It’s about understanding a bad situation and then learning and growing from it.

    Best,
    Dr Tara

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/female-male/ Steven

    Tara I forgot the most important thing,

    When you talk to women who were raped, you do not say they are at fault, correct? Then I would request that men who were sexually raped and raped otherwise be treated with the same respect (including if they were physically beat, intellectually, emotionally beat, raped by the legal system, raped by relatives running away from divorced men, raped by the SOCIAL and COMMUNITY DIVORCE that men like me often go thru.

    We get abused everyday when we put on TV, listen to advertisers who must beat, pummel, kick, punch and verbally abuse male actors to sell something. Yes this is important-since women who were sexually molested are NOT AT FAULT FOR BEING MOLESTED, why are men who are assaulted at fault?

    Per any implied “men are easy to be duped” or we should have known better” replies are sexist. Please treat male victims with the respect that you would treat female victims. HERE I MUST FIGHT FOR MY RIGHTS WHEREAS A WOMAN WHO WAS SIMILIARLY TREATED AS I WAS, AUTOMATICALLY GETS RESPECT ON THE INTERNET.

    A female rape victim is NOT CALLED AN EXTREMIST online by a Dr/author writing for women’s rights oin a Women’s Rights website. SHE IS NOT SAID TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THE LAW (your words alluding to my letter) etc. Your title of this article Abusive women inlcudes NDP like my exwife. Semantics is semantics.
    I hope that you are more sensitive to male vicitms.

    Kindly please interview men who have been raped, beaten, tortured, brainwashed, etc for your material. We are human beings.

    Ganesh blessings,

    Steve
    BA-European History 20th C
    moderator & owner for over 25 websites, content provider, website membership recruitment, IT Training Director, website publicity
    former professional photographer (PPA, commercial phty)

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/female-male/

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/female-male/ Steven

    Thanks Tara for your prompt, courteous and professional reply. It’s a pleasure to have someone of your education and experience here :)
    I apologize for my misplaced anger used towards you; my ego was raring to go per this emotional topic. You are right, I don’t know you or your research to make a judgement call.

    Yes I’m certain she’s NDP and quite possibly a Gyspy from Eastern Europe. Perhaps the words professional conwoman would work as well. That is quite true,
    I bushwhacked ya via the Black Scorpion (the name I gave her.)
    Yes it is possible she’s a sociopath; she appears to be willing to do almost anything to succeed in life.

    I have run into a few other men like me. Usually Russian or Eastern Eurpean (I guess it can be any Nationality.) The same tricks-the guy is a sensitive family man. Soon after a baby is born, the Iron Hand comes down stronger (the women assert themselves more aggressively.)

    Before that she can appear the “perfect wife” albeit like you said in another article, there are tell tale signs we men sometimes ignore.
    So far I have been able to survive and stay within the law. Thank Zeus she moved out West. While I miss my son, I want to be as far away from the Black Scorpion as possible.

    While married, senior Citizens would stop me and ask “what are you doing with her? You are too nice to be with someone like that.”
    Wish I could have shared more of my life with my son. We were very close (my ex got jealous because our son loved me more than her. Also the dog I bought her loved me more than her.)

    She moved when my son was about 3. He’s 14 now and luckily we stayed in contact. We are close again; much more than she is with him. She abandoned him (like someone bored by a new toy) when he was about 2-1/2. She did the same thing to her first son that I helped raise from the ages of 12-18. He’s about 27 now.

    I’m sure you can well imagine the hell I’ve been thru. I waited until I was 33 to marry. Everything she told me was a lie. She’s the most charming person who studies people’s personalities, body language, reads faces, understands about handwriting. She has taught me a lot
    and it has worked in business (judging people.)

    One problem today in society is that a woman can say she was raped and get help. Years later, online she is considered a hero when she talks about it. A man cannot say today that his ex-wife sexually raped him. Even if like me he is a strong athlete; Americans especially the women, are not ready for this.

    And so men like me suffer long after the divorce. Seperated via a Community divorce when these women spread false rumors, we lose all of our married friends. Like a leper, we either survive or like my brother going thru his divorce, commit suicide.

    Thanks for helping good people out. Just because we have male genitals doesn’t make all of us evil, violent, extremists, legal outlaws or bad parents. When I said good luck to your career, i meant that.

    All good energy,

    Steven

    Winner JFK Memorial Citizenship Award for Writing
    Volunteer-Lions Club, United Way, American Red Cross, MS, Muscular Dystrophy, Llanfair Nursing Home, Republican Party, Job Seekers and others.
    Mensan
    Initiator, creator and Chairmanship of Racial Relations Committee leading to permanent Multicultural Club with annual grant at my University.
    Aspergers, ptsd, ADD

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    As always, a top notch piece of work from Dr. Tara.

    For my two cents worth there are a lot of things at play in scenarios where men remain with abusive women. There are factors that are radically different than the phenomena where women stay with abusive men.

    I think a lot of it speaks to socialization, and transference of men’s dependency on their mothers for emotional survival. For most men in our culture, teaching them to “keep Mama happy” is central to their upbringing.

    I know that in my home that there was no greater standard of worth than making my mother happy and very little for which failure to succeed met with such disapproval and condemnation. It was for me, and I suspect for most boys of my time, the mold in which our very identities were formed. And to a great degree, fathers and all other examples of masculine influence in our lives acted as “enforcers” for the “please Mama” mandate. There was no escape from it.

    We all colluded to and coerced each other to deify mother. And mother helped with this, of course. And I witnessed the same in the households of my male peers. It was part and parcel to a culture of emotional incest, where boys are the “little men of the house” filling in Mama’s emotional vacuum in the absence of working fathers.

    It was also, as male personalities developed, the singular source of “emotional existence” available.

    I think that is attributable to the fact that as men we are socialized, often brutally, to channel all of our emotions through the primary female in our lives and to shut it down elsewhere. We are conditioned to be fearless, emotionless performers; tough as leather in the competitive world of men.

    We “feel” only in the presence of women. We emotionally “exist” only under their purview. Only women can see our vulnerabilities…only women can validate and heal them.

    And by that only women can give us a sense of complete worth.

    Legions of men who through history lay mortally wounded on battlefields, calling desperately for their mothers, not for doctors, is a testament to this. As is the staggering disparity in suicide statistics between men and women who take that plunge during a breakup or divorce.

    Women survive those things better because their realm of emotional support is more expansive, and because they haven’t been abused into measuring their worth by the opinion of one person. They have, in fact, been taught well to be the one in control of those situations and the people in them.

    So I totally understand why it is difficult for so many men to take the emotional head on collision of a broken relationship, even when staying means the absolute certainty of further abuse.

    But I do hope that more men get information like Dr. Tara is presenting here. In the end, the only thing that makes sense is to get out.

    And it also makes sense to question how your emotional ties are formed and why during periods when you are single. Three years into a relationship guided by your unconscious desperation to be accepted by a woman at any cost is a hard time to make changes.

    But early on, when you first catch yourself acting like a trained seal, saying or doing anything to get approval; to get love, is an excellent time to put it to a stop, even if it isn’t easy.

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to usurp Dr. Tara’s thread here. It is just that this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I am very thankful we now have Dr. Tara here to reach into the world of men and shed light on this very important topic.

  • julie

    Wow! This is powerful.

    I am not a very good mother in some respects. My sons try to talk to me about things that are deep for them and I often change the subject or minimise their feelings because I feel inadequate to understand.

    But this tells me a lot and I am going to be able to understand where they are coming from now. Thanks a whole lot for writing it.

  • Trust

    @Dr. Palmatier

    That is an excellent question. pressure on legislators I guess, but unfortunately until there is momentum the opponents of this seem to have more legal leverage.

    Even if laws were gender neutral, I guess that would be moot if misandrist or judges intending to be chivalrous do not apply the laws fairly.

    I sound like a broken record on the laws some times, but it is just human nature that any time there are incentives behind a behavior (messing up a marriage for example), we get more of the behavior.

    Some people have responded to me that if someone is married to a bad woman, isn’t it better to know it, rather than have a bad one that is only good because the laws don’t encourage her to be bad. My response is, under that logic, would one want to legalize battering wives, since it is better to know the guy is abusive than be with one who isn’t because it is against the law? No one has ever said yes to that.

    I love your articles. MND did great to bring you on board.

    Warmly,
    Trust

  • http://shrink4men.wordpress.com Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    @Trust

    I agree 100%. My question—and I’m not being facetious—is how does one get the laws changed? Lobbying? Signatures? Votes don’t matter since most family court judges are appointed. How? It makes my blood boil when I read hear or readd about the unfairness, but what does one do?

  • Trust

    Let’s also never underestimate the importance of changing the laws to be more fair in curbing some of this behavior.

    Yes, I understand that some people are just bad and it isn’t laws, but let’s not be naive. It’s no coincidence that the tolerance of women drops when they get the security and options of the family law and court system. yes, there are plenty of other reasons for marital problems, but any problem is exacerbated when someone is intolerant due to added security and options.

  • http://shrink4men.wordpress.com Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    @Steven

    The kind of woman you’re describing goes beyond histrionic, narcissistic, borderline or your garden variety insecure-controlling abuser; you’re describing a full-fledged sociopath or Antisocial Personality Disorder.

    Sociopaths, whether they’re female or male, have zero empathy, zero remorse and are incredibly psychologically and frequently physically dangerous. If a man or woman suspects they’re involved with a sociopath, they must protect themselves and any children involved, but within the framework of the law.

    I agree with you. The family court system heavily favors women and practices blatant and often criminal discrimination against men, however, the second a man violates a court order, he’s caught in the trap set by abusive and/or sociopathic women and the system.

    Again, it’s not fair, but a father must remain available and strong and healthy for his children—especially if the mother is one of the women you describe. A man can’t be present and healthy for his child if he remains in an abusive relationship or operates outside the law and ends up in jail.

    I also agree with you in that all abusers and sociopaths choose easy targets. Sometimes it’s premeditated and conscious; other times it operates just out of awareness. Just like men who are easy targets are often attracted to controlling, duplicitous women. I think it’s important to educate men about abusive female predators BEFORE they end up in an untenable situation. It’s just as important to educate men about predatory women AFTER they end an abusive relationship so that history doesn’t repeat itself.

    It seems like you’re criticizing me and my material without any real knowledge of either. I understand full well how predatory and devious many women (and men) are and am doing my best to provide men with a resource to begin to understand exactly whom they’re dealing with.

    I encourage men to know their rights (what little they seem to have), take every legal precaution, gather evidence, stop being easy targets, get involved in men’s/father’s rights organizations and to take care of themselves. A man will only harm himself and his rights by coming off as an angry extremist to the courts (just like when women lose their sh!t in front of a judge). When it comes to family court, men need to learn how to put on a “game face,” just like their abusive exes and let these women hoist themselves by their own petards and not fall for the traps they set. Abusers and sociopaths are cunning and in control, which is exactly how one needs to be when ridding them from one’s life and minimizing their influence in children’s lives.

    I wish you the best with your career as well.

    Kind Regards,
    Dr Tara

  • http://groups.yahoo/group/female-male/ Steven

    Shalom Tara,

    As a survivor, victim & ex-husband of an abusive relationship with a violent criminal woman, I think your article is OUT of TOUCH with the reality of the situation (and today’s laws guiding them.) Things are ten times more difficult than you present them. And the abusive women in real life are ten times more dangerous and violent than you protray them.

    In short i find your article condescending to us Survivors andtthe article to be Politically Correct (for the female readership.) I feel you are making light of our past, present and future struggles with these individuals (if they are the mother of our children.) I do not think you fully understand the subject matter. In fact, it’s impossible, unless
    you have male genitals, etc to fully understand US/this situation.

    I feel that you left out the most important parts. Some PREDATOR women HUNT and search for the same kind of man. Some of these violent women have the same MO: give extraordinary sex, listen to and then mold their psyche to the pain that their victim has had in his life.

    They are looking for men like me who were estranged from my parents AND who might of had some $$ (I told her my father had retired early and drove a Lexus-big mistake.) Also they look for men who were ADOPTED (with $$ or a good job) and and a family man-one who expresses family is most important.

    They engage in the BEST SEX the man ever has dreamed of. The woman becomes VERY sexually aggressive even ripping off the clothes of her victim. On a scale of 1-10, sex in the beginning with these kinds of women approach a 10. He thinks it’s love, but the woman just has a voracious appetite for both lust and $$ (controlling the victim/prey.)

    Psychologically & emotionally, they find out what is the MAIN THEME (pain) that the man’s pscyhe runs on. Was he abandoned, childhood trauma, abused, afraid of rejection, had a fight with his brother, etc etc. Then they MOLD themselves psychologically to the VICTIM (the predator woman identifies with her victim by saying “THAT HAPPENED TO ME TOO! She then gives an example.)

    She isolates the victim by getting rid of all friends and family (“they don’t care about you, only I care about you” is the woman’s mantra.)
    The woman keeps bringing up all the good points about her and how she “saved” the man in certain ways.

    She does that to keep the man ASHAMED and so that he has the I OWE HER mentality. I could write a lot more about this as it gets very CIA ish. My ex-wife is from a former Communist country-these women are smarter than many others. Like Ebola, they rip right thru the fabric of American society.

    ACTORS-they are like professional actors and know when to laugh, cry, sing, look scared, frightened, relieved, etc.

    They PLAY with the man’s emotions to see what makes him mad and how he acts, etc. This all comes into play when the woman is lying (she is able to gauge if he has caught on, etc.)

    LYING-these diseased and sick women are inveterate liars. They lie in their sleep…they lie so much they might change stories about their childhood, etc.

    I can write more but am getting some things published on this subject. I hope you reconsider how much watered down your article on abusive women is. It does a great disservice to the men and children who have lived with these criminal elements in our society (abusive women often ARE SUPPORTED BY A NETWORK OF FEMALES WHO ACCEPT THEIR SAD STORIES OF ABUSIVE MEN AS BEING TRUE. THUS ABUSIVE WOMEN CAN CONTINUE TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES, SUPPORTED BY OTHER WOMEN.)

    Abusive women have abused other men and children AND BECAUSE OF HOW LAX THE LAWS ARE TOWARDS WOMEN, ABUSIVE WOMEN WILL CONTINUE TO HUNT OUT AND HURT OTHER MEN (and children.) These women often are capable of KILLING.

    Good luck to your career,

    Steven Teich Iavarone
    c2009 abusive women

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/female-male/
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motivateandchange/

  • rohara

    @ Tara,

    I agree with you one hundred percent! I just wish that the law would treat men and women equaly in these situations but it most certainly does not.

  • http://shrink4men.wordpress.com Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    @rohara

    While there is no easy answer, there are choices you can make. They may not be ideal. They may all be different flavors of “suck,” but there are choices.

    I’d rather take a financial hit and suffer a change in lifestyle than be under the same roof with a person who was making my life hell. Furthermore, the longer you stay in the marriage, the more on the hook you’ll be when you or she later decide to make the break.

    Meanwhile, I encourage men to take back control of their finances from their wives. If you’re worried she’ll claim abuse, invest in a small reliable digital recorder and press record when she threatens or abuses you, so that way when the police arrive, it’s her word against concrete evidence. If you let an abusive wife control your finances you’re willingly handing her the rope by which to hang you.

  • rohara

    Family law, divorce law, and the VAWA all severely limit the way that men can handle a bad relationship with a woman. Men are at an extreme disadvantage when it comes to situations like this as they are in employment situations in which a female coworker is causing problems for them.
    Abusive women are keenly aware of this and use it to their full advantage thus augmenting their ability to control and abuse. The fact is that leaving a relationship like this is always more crippling for a man financially and emotionally than it is for a woman. Our misandrianistic society seeks to cede all of the privileges and rights to and in any relationship between a man and a woman to the woman and all of the responsibilities and risks to the man. Psychologists, unfortunately, do not have an effective answer to this problem.

  • http://shrink4men.wordpress.com Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    @Davidtoo

    If your wife is going to bankrupt you if you stay in the marriage, isn’t it better to get out of the marriage sooner than later to put an end and some limits to it?

    This is also raises the issue of setting boundaries with a spouse. If her spending is out of control, cancel the credit cards. Initiate fraud alerts with all of the credit bureaus and if she opens up new accounts in your name without your permission or knowledge, file charges against her for identity theft.

    Kind Regards,
    Dr Tara

  • Davidtoo

    how about the fear of divorce and loss of children and assets?
    some men are “trapped” in a relationship that will strip them of at least half of their income for 20 years or more, while his partner threatens to bankrupt the family with irresponsible spending “because she can”.

    you try to stop her and they call it domestic violence.


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