A New Gendercide for a New World Order

2009-12-11
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As a general rule, it seems that Men’s Rights Activists (MRA) are resistant to the idea that men could be our worst enemy. Forget the reality of feminists like Bill Clinton and Joe Biden being men, to suggest such a notion often elicits the same sort of knee-jerk defensiveness that we have come to expect from feminists whenever anyone dared to question their cause. It has all the hallmarks of political correctness. Indeed, society’s failure to recognize feminism as a political movement having less to do with women’s rights than with strategy and marketing (feminism could not have gotten off the ground without the concerted efforts of chivalrous, marxist men) suggests that we urgently need to get our priorities right.

There is more to be gained by regarding feminism as a men’s movement. More specifically, feminism is a strategy that favors chivalrous men in power because it reduces competition, at the highest levels, from other men.

Of course we don’t need to look at human history to see how men have competed with and done battle with men. It occurs throughout the animal kingdom, too. Yet the defensiveness of MRAs remains. This is not good strategy. Only by properly understanding the nature of the beast can we hope for accelerated change. Muddling along on a vaguely-formed silhouette in the mist might work for a while. It worked for women in the feminist movement. But the success of feminism was contingent upon the premise of false and imagined wrongs, promoted in the media, and requiring the rolling back of democratic principles. By contrast, we as men require concrete facts to work with, and this will require the restoration of democratic principles.

The case that I want to present in this blog is that there is a modern form of gendercide taking place, one that is directed against men, for the most part, by men.

Gendercide against men

Gendercide Watch catalogues a number of case studies demonstrating that men have overwhelmingly been the targets of gendercide. From their website:

[…] We believe that state-directed gender-selective mass killings have overwhelmingly targeted men through history, and that this phenomenon is pervasive in the modern world as well. Despite this prevalence of gendercide against males — especially younger, “battle-age” men — the subject has received almost no attention across a wide range of policy areas, humanitarian initiatives, and academic disciplines. We at Gendercide Watch feel it is one of the great taboos of the contemporary age, and must be ignored no longer.

From their research, Gendercide Watch observes that there are more case studies of gendercide against men than there are case studies of mass killings of women in wars and conflicts. Accordingly, they conclude that “men are, indeed, generally the victims of the most severe gender-selective atrocities in such situations.”

Gendercide against men is usually first instigated as a strategic motive that would render the remaining population as easy prey. Gendercide Watch explains:

Like the Jewish holocaust, the Armenian genocide [1915-1917] represents a case of a clear-cut, “pre-emptive” targeting of the male population, followed by a “root-and-branch” extermination of as many of the survivors as could be killed outright or driven to death. The two gendercidal strategies followed at the outset were 1) the mobilization of “battle-age” Armenian men for service in the Turkish army, followed by the execution or death through overwork of some hundreds of thousands of them; and 2) the concomitant rounding-up and mass slaughter of remaining community males.

Further case studies of gendercides against men, referred to in the Gendercide Watch website, include:

  • Kosovo in 1989-1999;
  • East Timor in 1999;
  • Indonesian genocide of 1965-66;
  • Bosnia-Herzegovina between 1992-1995;
  • Kashmir/Punjab, and the Delhi Massacre (1984);
  • Sri Lanka;
  • Burundi;
  • Colombia;
  • The Anfal Campaign in Iraqi Kurdistan (1988);
  • The Nazi murder of 2.8 million Soviet prisoners-of-war in just eight months of 1941-42;
  • Stalin’s Purges in the USSR with the sheer scale of gender-specific killings resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of men.

Also discussed on the Gendercide Watch website is the notion of conscription as a form of gendercide, that invariably has resulted in millions of overwhelmingly male deaths throughout history. If the above examples of blood-letting are too far removed from our own immediate experience, perhaps conscription is not so far removed, and provides us with something that Vietnam veterans can relate to.

Quite clearly, men are not the friends of men just because they are men.

Brilliant, foolproof, government strategy

The sheer genius behind it all. What more certain way can there be of consolidating power by the government? You don’t have to eliminate potential resistance by killing off half the population, like the Taliban had tried in Afghanistan. Very untidy and messy, with uncertain results.

Strategy-wise, feminism has the same ultimate effect as gendercide. It serves the interests of men in power by psychologically castrating masculine opposition. Neutering half of the entire population with feminist, anti-male policy serves to eliminate that potentially troublesome source of male resistance while, through affirmative action, replacing many of them with obedient, well-behaved women. This is better, cheaper and more effective than more “conventional” gendercide against men, because it won’t rile the womenfolk. Indeed, it will more likely please them, because it will turn men into well-behaved drones who won’t question their draft-horse status as providers, while ushering women into jobs with relaxed entry requirements because women have been oppressed all these millennia as a minority underclass. And it perpetuates the illusion that democratic principles are respected, that the government is acting on behalf of the people, not against them. It puts out that fire in the belly that drives men. It contributes to the creation of a walking dead that won’t dare challenge authority. Even the communism under Stalin could not have done a better job.

Notice that it is men that continue to dominate the halls of power while provided-for wives continue to be… provided for. What we have is still a chivalrous “patriarchy” as it has always been – a patriarchal/matriarchal symbiosis where neither can exist without the other. Nothing has changed except the strategy. These men in power have learned to harness the power of Woman and have mobilized a powerful antidote to the male “problem”, in order to achieve their own ends.

It’s unlikely that men in power are purposeful architects of precisely this kind of deliberate schemata, implementing feminism specifically to counter opposition from men. But whether by accident or intent, whether their chivalry-as-feminism is a product of strategy or male gullibility, the winners seem to be, for now at least, feminists and men in power. No matter how we cut this pie, the outcome is the same. It is a form of gendercide directed against men by men, for ultimately it is men in power who continue to be the principle decision-makers, setting the course of this ship.

The solution

The solution does not lie in counter-laws or counter-actions to oppose the unconstitutional laws attributable to feminism. Countering one anti-democratic legislation-base with another is an approach that merely serves to multiply the unconstitionality, thus further eroding the democratic principles that are now looking battered and bruised. As such, a men’s “rights” movement is not what we should have in mind, because we already have all the rights we will ever need in the constitutions of most western democracies. It is our long-established constitutional rights, battered and bruised, that need to be resuscitated.

A men’s rights movement, in the sense of fighting for men’s rights, doesn’t ring true. There is no basis upon which men should regard men as friends just because they are men. MRAs are quick to reject, with knee-jerk spontaneity, that this is what they are doing. But implicit in their understanding is that men’s rights have been eroded. They haven’t. We still have all those rights, in principle, in our constitutions. What has happened is that rights have been supplanted by lies, fictions designed to promote a sexist feminist agenda. Our lawmakers and enforcers have become corrupt. The rights are still there, it’s just that men are not asserting theirs. The gendercide that men are experiencing is of their own doing.

We should take comfort in knowing that we owe nothing to men just because they are men. The sort of “men’s movement” that we should have in mind is less of a men’s movement than it is a “democracy revival” movement. We might expect to see such a democracy revival movement associated with men only because it is men that are the target of this contemporary form of gendercide, as manifested in our corrupt political/legal climate. It’s only natural that men should gather to revive and renew old, constitutional principles.

We already have all the necessary laws we need, even if some of them have been eroded. We have to vigorously assert them in our numbers with the force of our will, and lobby our politicians exactly as the feminists had done before us. The men’s movement that I have in mind is not a sexist movement fighting for more privileges for the already privileged. It is a movement based on principle, necessity and indeed, the very survival of our democracies.

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  • Ray

    “…ultimately it is men in power who continue to be the principle decision-makers, setting the course of this ship.”

    I disagree.

    It is female voters who are the “principle decision-makers.” Even though most politicians are male, they are only in power as servants to female politics. That’s because the majority of the electorate that votes men into office are female. Consequently, even though most politicians are male, it is the power of the female vote that they serve. It is the female agenda that is always in power, election after election after election.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    I disagree with your disagreement, Ray! The whole point of a constitution and “bill of rights” is to constrain possibilities within strict bounds. Politicians and judges are not allowed to implement whatever principles they like, just because a mob demands it. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the US founding fathers and the US constitution were motivated, at least in part, to provide an antidote to arbitrary mob rule. And besides, if one half of the population demand one thing, then it is up to the other half to demand something different (which they’re not doing)… that is, to demand that due process, natural justice, whatever you want to call it, is applied. If men are too apathetic to care, then they have only themselves to blame.

  • Ray

    “…while, through affirmative action, replacing many of them [men] with obedient, well-behaved women.”

    “These men in power have learned to harness the power of Woman and have mobilized a powerful antidote to the male “problem”, in order to achieve their own ends.”

    I just don’t see the female workforce as that well-behaved, or manipulated, given all the sexual harassment claims they have brought, and all the high level jobs they’ve demanded and got. Men at the top have learned to walk on egg shells under PC too.

    While this article addresses male disposability, I just don’t find its workplace descriptions resembling my PC work place that much. Maybe others will identify with the article more.

    There have been any number of gender feminist based laws that have eroded men’s rights and getting equal rights, equal justice, and equal protection will take more than men merely asserting themselves, IMO. I don’t deny that men have not showed up for the gender wars, but it’s feminists who clearly declared it and its feminists who have waged it very aggressively and viciously.

    This article appears to be lacking on several levels, IMO. Although it makes a number of good points, it goes off the mark almost as much as its on target. Maybe others will agree with it more. I just found myself not relating to the authors perceptions at several points throughout the article. Again, maybe others will have more in common with the authors perceptions.

  • Ray

    “../that is, to demand that due process, natural justice, whatever you want to call it, is applied. If men are too apathetic to care, then they have only themselves to blame.”

    Well, I hardly think you can blame men for being apathetic when they go before some leftist court that does not recognize the constitution of our founding fathers as immutable, but rather sees it as a living breathing document subject to change with the social perceptions of the times. Your assessment of constitutional rights in today’s courts seem naive.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    I’ve represented myself in court, Ray. I know about due process and natural justice and the principles that the courts are obliged to follow, and so I know first-hand, from a practical perspective, that there are “safeguards”. The reason that these safeguards are failing is that men are not rising to the task at hand. “Use it or lose it.”

    You might find that laws that are biased against one class of citizenry in favor of another are unlawful, within the terms of the US constitution. Affirmative action comes to mind. I’ve done enough googling for one day, I might try digging something up later. Watch this space.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    I couldn’t resist just one more google:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
    Take a look at the fifth and ninth amendments. These are not just nice, warm-and-friendly motherhood statements. They serve a purpose, and it is up to us to make them stick.

    The new hate crimes legislation breaches the doube-jeopardy principle. So? Assert it. Gather in groups, demanding that it be tossed out. Oh, you don’t want to,eh? Then lie in it.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    While I’m on a roll:
    Amendment VIII
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    I’m not a US citizen, so I don’t know which of your ammendments men have let slide. Suffice it to say, if this amendment still lives, then contemporary child-support laws imprisoning men for failing to pay up definitely strike me as “cruel and unusual punishment”.

  • http://www.standyourground.com POIUYT

    Excellent breakdown of the problem Stephen Jarosek. The parasite movement of victims and inadequates that is feminism achieved nothing without co-conspiring males. Co-conspiring males whom for personal profit and personal advantage, cheaply sold out manhood to the feminist dogs for nothing in return.

    This knowlege should lead you to understand why not only elite males but also their mass male supporters need challenging about their petty bigotry that keeps men as a divided and subdued as a sex-class. And why their treachery to their own male gender-class can only harm them, their sons and their unborn sons as a legacy in the long run.

  • http://remasculation.blogspot.com/ Snark

    Stephen,

    Thank you so much for writing this! My first instinct was very much a kneejerk ‘no, this isn’t right’. But it’s forced me to look at the problem differently.

    Yes, I was very much operating under the assumption that men are our friends by default. (That’s not to say women are our enemies – only gender feminists and their supporters are necessarily our enemies.) While cognizant of the exceptions (Joe Biden, etc.), that was the extent of my analysis: they are exceptions.

    I still believe that Brotherhood is an extremely powerful force which we should absolutely try to promote. Because every man is a ‘potential’ ally to our cause – as is every woman. There are even reformed feminists, like Camilla Page, who was once violently anti-male but is now going to bat for us against orthodox feminism.

    There’s a problem, of course, in promoting Brotherhood and then saying that women are just as welcome to join the cause. There’s nothing in “Men’s Rights Activist” which suggests one has to be a man. Yet, given the utter denigration of men over the last forty years, the idea that ‘men are good’ is one I think needs to be promoted. It’s a difficult issue and I’m not going to attempt to resolve it here; only to say that I don’t think the MRM can be subsumed under the practice of democratic revival. As a gendered issue I believe it needs to be fought as such, though I certainly appreciate the connections. Democracy is about much more than casting votes. It’s about the freedom to speak up in favour of one’s interests, or the interests of one’s group. Men, as a group, are prevented from doing this in the mainstream, while women, as a group, are encouraged. And in the case of feminists, they will not stop at the vilification of a group already silenced. This is a serious problem and it is connected to democracy; and while I believe solutions must go beyond democratic revival, this would be an important step.

    On the issue of men having enough rights as it is: I appreciate where you are coming from, and I do believe that the problem is women have too many privileges (which men cannot claim), rather than men having ‘too many’ rights per se. If we were to equalise the rights of men and women to the standard which men can claim now, a large part of the problem is solved. But I also believe there’s a distinction between de jure and de facto rights which isn’t addressed here. For each privilege which women, as a whole, can claim, that’s another burden on men, as a whole, who cannot claim it. Example: VAWA. And while the burdens which accrue to men, as a result of female privilege, do not challenge men’s rights in law, they do disrupt men’s rights in fact.

    I am from the United Kingdom; one of the only places in the world without a written constitution, so it may not be fair for me to talk about constitutional rights. But it’s my assumption that the re-emphasising of constitutional, or ‘basic’ rights would not be enough. Eventually, a man’s constitutional rights would clash with the programmes advanced by gender feminism. A man’s right to a just and fair trial when he is accused of rape will clash with the laws enacted by feminist groups who don’t really care if he is guilty or not. Surely it is not enough simply to reassert men’s constitutional rights; unconstitutional privileges must be swept away for de jure rights to become de facto again. And I think this is the real issue of the MRM and why it absolutely should focus on Men’s Rights: because the legal rights of men, though nominally remaining in place, are rendered void by the feminist assault. If we cannot claim them, then they might as well not exist, and that’s the situation we’re facing.

    While I certainly appreciate you drawing attention to the role which a certain tier of men have played, for their own selfish benefit, in promoting feminism, I can’t connect to the notion that the ‘gendercide’ is the fault of men themselves, as a group. Having seen too much evidence that feminists will pursue women’s advancement even when (or especially when) males are made to suffer injustices, I don’t feel comfortable in blaming the majority of men, who are the genuine victims here. Passive acceptance is wrong, but not as blameworthy as those who have -actively- sought to do us harm. Some may term it ‘victim-blaming’; though I appreciate it as a call to take action. Let’s just make sure we don’t exonerate those who are actually responsible by internalising blame ourselves (a truly chivalrous move!) Those responsible should be held, first and foremostly, to account for their transgressions.

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Stephen

    The notion that we only need some kind of ‘democratic revival’ to sort out our problems is quite wrong.

    Unless we obliterate the misandry, very little will change.

    And this means that until our views control the airwaves, very little will change.

    With regard to so many men not being on our side, there are many reasons.

    But we can successfully counteract these reasons only if our views control the airwaves.

  • Ray

    “then it is up to the other half to demand something different (which they’re not doing)… that is, to demand that due process, natural justice, whatever you want to call it, is applied. If men are too apathetic to care, then they have only themselves to blame.”
    and
    “The new hate crimes legislation breaches the doube-jeopardy principle. So? Assert it. Gather in groups, demanding that it be tossed out. Oh, you don’t want to,eh? Then lie in it.’

    I’ve hardly been “lying in it.” We’ve been to court, and made some change, after years of hard work, efforts and spent money. And as far as protests, yea we’ve done as much or more than anyone who’s ever posted here. You read that right, “as much or more than anyone who’s ever posted here.” You appear to fail to comprehend the difficulty (logistics) in getting a significant group of men (army of walking wounded) together on anything other than blogging. Loading a truck full of scores of protest signs in the early a.m. darkness is just one experience every MRM member should have, but few do. If your ideas are so great, why bother posting here, running men down for not being involved, etc., when many are using every resource in their limited arsenal already. Why not lead with a series of lawsuits, or lay out specific petitions for men to sign to redress their grievances, or involve them in other legal action, or organize the giant protest you mention (including signs), showing media involvement, public awareness raising, etc. “Show me,” with concrete actions.

    We’ve worked our butts off to “gather in groups,” trying a number of different things. I’ve never seen anyone in America put on a bigger men’s/father’s rally than we did. You’ve made a number of suggestions in your article and say you’ve got the answers and it’s men’s fault it doesn’t work, but apparently don’t have the answer to getting men involved or they’d be involved, or possibly you haven’t joined the right MRM group, or haven’t organized that rally. Again, show me.

    Did you ever think you might be overlooking something and that there might be another reason for the failure of the MRM to make significant headway? What you ask? How about: lack of funding, lack of time off work, other legally binding commitments, lack of physical health, etc. I wish I knew the reasons that hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands, or millions, of men fail to take to the streets in righteous protest of all the misandry and injustice. Again, men (especially in the MRM) are a beaten down class, an army of the walking wounded so take that into consideration first. It’s easy to just blame it all on men’s apathy. Finding real solutions and making them work, along with ways to organize the MRM, takes considerably more work, or obviously your ideas would have already succeeded. I see nothing in your article that hasn’t already been said, or tried repeatedly. Show me your successes, not insults, put downs, blaming, etc. of an already beaten down and disenfranchised group of people. Those are all just parts of the problems the MRM is facing, IMO.

    I leave you with four words to ponder as a fellow brother, a worker in the MRM, “National Coalition for Men,” or as it used to be called “National Coalition of Free Men” (five words). Come on board NCFM and put your ideas into action, or start your own organization and show me how your words and your ideas are successful when put into action. I whole heartedly wish you every success. Sincerely/Respectfully.

  • Ray

    I fully agree with your assessment of, what I call, “The War on Men.” There is a gendercide going on. Men are being treated as disposable. Men are being treated as 2nd class citizens, when compared to the programs and services provided for women (the truly privileged). I agree there is a small percentage of men at the top who exploit all other men and women, and all that’s coupled with gender feminism’s war on all men. I think that chivalrous conservative men and radical/gender feminist men are enemies of men and the MRM, and also that they are toadies of radical/gender feminists.

    One area that was not mentioned in the whole article was taxpayer funded schools, colleges and universities. Those places in the 1960s were the genesis of most of the problems men are facing today, and they are the bastion, and the recruiting grounds for radical/gender feminism today. Little effort has been made to reach the young men in those horribly misandrist places, and it’s badly needed. Tabling at a university is a rewarding experience that shows students are very open, but in need of the information that counters the radical/gender feminist (cultural Marxist) propaganda they are indoctrinated with in the Liberal Arts and other curriculums. Sincerely/Respectfully,

  • PJ1

    I agree with the basic premise of this article. That in fact many of the biased feminist inspired laws have been implemented by men – liberal men who have little regard for basic constitutional rights. I have always thought that powerful men have used PC based laws to keep the competition down. Look at that blowhard idiot Biden and how he decimated evidentiary process for every men across this once great nation.

    Good job Stephen Jarosek. I think this article gets close to the heart of the problem and offers a solution instead of the typical MRA rant… The problem is very complex as the feminism is the dominant paradigm in U.S. law, academia and government – and the restoration and enforcement of basic constitutional principles is the best bet for change.

    We will have to see what happens, but I sense a groundswell of real hope and change ready to occur within our once great nation…

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @PJI

    ” I think this article gets close to the heart of the problem and offers a solution instead of the typical MRA rant…”

    What solution does it offer?

    None.

    It simply outlines one of many strategies – and not a particularly strong one.

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Ray

    “I wish I knew the reasons that hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands, or millions, of men fail to take to the streets in righteous protest of all the misandry and injustice.”

    Your wish has just come true!

    Right here …

    http://www.angryharry.com/esNoMensGroups.htm

  • jim4146

    Stephen, thank you for a very insightful piece. Somehow, I believe many of us were aware of this but our rage against feminism has blindsighted us to a very disturbing fact, that our very worse enemy can be our very own. Thank you again.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Snark

    “I still believe that Brotherhood is an extremely powerful force which we should absolutely try to promote.”

    My ideal of brotherhood is a group of men who stand up for what they believe in. Thus, said brotherhood has two main components – courage (individualism) and honour. Anything that smacks of groupthink or mobthink is not really my cup of tea.

    “Having seen too much evidence that feminists will pursue women’s advancement even when (or especially when) males are made to suffer injustices, I don’t feel comfortable in blaming the majority of men, who are the genuine victims here.”

    Good point. However, you have to look at this from a cultural perspective. Men still have power, at a cultural level. In cultures where selfish women act like pigs, don’t marry or fraternize with a pig. If most men do, then the culture stays. Bottom line… choose wisely. That probably doesn’t help you, does it. I bring something of a metaphysical perspective to my politics. If you find yourself in a cultural that is less than satisfactory, it is your life’s duty to either accept it and live by its terms, or fight for something better. If you choose the latter, then don’t expect to change it in your lifetime. You are fighting for a higher cause. Women can get away with these things because men let them. The culture of what is permissible behaviour in women has to change, and men have a key part to play in that.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    Snark make reference to VAWA – Americans might have a solution, depending on the state of their constitution. I stumbled across this a moment ago, that should render VAWA unconstitutional (Ammendment XIV Section 1):
    … nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Equal protection of the laws? Sounds like VAWA fails to measure up.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Harry

    Misandry doesn’t touch my life because I don’t let it. If I sense its presence, I go elsewhere. Misandry relates to culture, the culture that got us here. Misandry is just a symptom, but culture is the cause. We need to change the culture.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Ray

    Yes, I remember Promiskeepers and other efforts. Obviously something is not resonating. Wars often precipitate change. Or maybe it’s happening now… some of these things take time, and there appears to be a rising tide. Be patient. Consider this. The UK has a bill and France is considering a bill that will require quotas on management boards, to balance the numbers of CEO men and women. Norway has it. Might this sort of thing be the straw that breaks the camel’s back? What happens when men in power, men at the highest levels lose their privileges and have to buckle under the feminist agenda? I say, bring these idiot laws on. Could it be that politicians are so stupid that they bring their gravy train to an end through petty greed? It seems that they have no idea of strategy and the sorts of allegiances that they should try to sustain. Completely clueless.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Harry

    You’re doing a fine job, and I’m happy to have you on side. We are not at odds, I’m just providing a different and important perspective. We all have our part to play.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @POIUYT, PJ1, jim4146

    Your support is appreciated.

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Stephen

    “Misandry doesn’t touch my life because I don’t let it.

    Wake up Stephen!

    The very fact that you feel the need to avoid misandry means that it does affect your life. And unless you are a hermit, everyone with whom you interact is going to react towards you differently as a result of misandry.

    You’ve also CLEARLY got yourself involved in many of the issues surrounding it.

    Time. Effort.

    You are not avoiding misandry at all, Stephen. You are fighting it.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    I don’t quite agree with all of Mr. Jaroseks points, especially where it concerns fighting for men’s rights. I think it is an erroneous assumption that fighting for men’s rights in any way assumes that all men are friends.

    Quite the contrary, as he aptly points out, they are truly more an obstacle to the MRA cause than feminism. But the point is that we are not fighting men OR women, feminism or patriarchy, but social and legal injustice.

    And as long as we have conflicting laws we can’t just blame current events on a lack of abiding by some of them.

    Feminism serves well though, to provide us the the appropriate target ideology though which most of that injustice is dispensed. And the remainder, which comes more from patriarchy than most MRA’s want to admit, would be addressed in more productive ways after an effective assault on feminism.

    Even though I am making a case against his arguments, I think the article has a great deal of value. Men have more enemies, even bigger ones than feminism. Like the enemy in the mirror.

    Jarosek does a tremendous job of reminding us of that fact, for even if we took down feminism today, the forces he mentions would still work against us to our ruin. And we would still be responsible for them.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Paul Elam

    But the point is that we are not fighting men OR women, feminism or patriarchy, but social and legal injustice.

    Exactly.

  • http://www.gndzerosrv.com Jim Untershine

    You hit the tail on the donkey Stephen

    “The solution does not lie in counter-laws or counter-actions to oppose the unconstitutional laws attributable to feminism.”

    Bills of Attainder, Involuntary Servitude, and Debtor’s Prison are examples of unconstitutional abuses directed at men. Attempting to push legislation to water down these abuses, is not only completely unnecessary, but tends to acknowledge these abuses are legitimate.

    It doesn’t take long for a breadwinning parent that is drawn into Family Court to realize the process is a racket, a railroad, a confidence game. Attempting to beg the system for leniency or mercy, is not only completely unnecessary, but tends to acknowledge these abuses are legitimate.

    The New World Order is now a reality because these unconstitutional abuses have been allowed to be unleashed on the American middle class. Unless we rise up and take back these unalienable rights we are selling ourselves into slavery.

  • http://www.standyourground.com POIUYT

    Most unpleasant of all is the exponential feedback of misandric bias into the structures, that Rookh Kshatriya describes as non-linea and non-self correcting, on account of the intrinsic anti-male bigotry of the systems operatives. Operatives like police, policy makers, social services etc.

    Take for example this most disgusting, unpleasant and bigoted man-hater of the British police force : Chief Constable Brian Moore. In his misandrically warped and foaming mind, over 25,000 males have persistently come up in his systems as domestically violent, and should thus be permanently registered as problem persons. http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wiltshire/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8376000/8376727.stm .

    It never occured to bigoted policeman “Brian Moore” that the male discriminatory systems he eagerly serves is itself capable of producing male discriminatory results.

    “Brian Moore” if your systems selectively penalises only males experiencing domestic violence from females, whilst encouraging and incentivising female violence perpetrators as the only possible recognised victims, then of course you’ll perpetually see and recognise only one genders crime. Thats explicitly what you set out to see and recognise fool.

    The following links suggest other things are happening concerning the violence males experience from females of which your deliberately discriminatory systems and personal gaze are unaware and disintrested in:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_7878000/7878801.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_7878000/7878698.stm

  • pj1

    @Harry…and anyone else interested….

    A strategy geared toward restoring constitutional rights is a solution.

    Most people understand liberty, and people (men and women) can stand behind this in substantial numbers without self identifying as a MRA. MRA’s tend to stay so far outside of mainstream consciousness that what is considered a victory for MRA’s is but a small skirmish in a giant one sided war controlled by feminist elites. Consider that what MRA’s often fight for is simply to restore constitutional rights.

    The state of men in the US has never been under siege like today. Obama’s false Hope has only made matters worse so far. He has the witches from NOW on one side taking away funding from the hardest hit segment of society (shovel ready programs –first time around) and socialist swine’s on the other side performing their duties to tax and dilute the state of liberty by creating a nation of well-behaved male drones to pay for the trillions of dollars poured into the growing feminist/leftist government.

  • paul parmenter

    It’s an important and thought-provoking article, Stephen. It certainly chimes strongly with the conclusions I have drawn from watching how every governing elite has operated throughout history. All that matters to them is their own power.

    And those in power have most to fear from strong, well-educated, independent-minded and independent-acting men. In other words those who are best placed, should they have the inclination, to heave the ruling elite off their thrones and replace them. Monarchs and governments alike have always recognised this threat to their power and have therefore always made it an absolute priority to keep the common man firmly squashed underfoot, to prevent such dangerous opponents emerging. And it has been the male sex as such that has always been their target. They know that they have nothing to fear from women, who can always be manipulated and controlled, and will follow like sheep wherever they are led. But they need a range of at times utterly cruel devices to keep men in their place. War has been one of the the traditional methods: it consumes and exhausts their energy and strength, and kills off a goodly proportion of them. But there is now a more modern method: psychological warfare. They now churn as many men as possible through a legal system designed to impoverish them, take away their material possessions, jail them and destroy their relationship with their children.

    I only wish more men would wake up to the fact that governments are not on their side, and have little concern for men’s welfare.

  • Jay R

    Feminism must be destroyed if the injustice against men as men is to be curtailed.

    It is important to remember, however, that both men and women can be feminist, and, as with so many areas of endeavor, the most effective, and thus the most pernicious, feminists have often been men (Biden, Obama, Clinton, et al.) Just as feminists have used shame to quiet the voices of non-feminist women, MRA must use shame to attack those men and women who promote hatred against males.

    Speak truth to power — whether it has a penis or a vagina.

    The idea that powerful men use feminism just to entrench their own power over the masses of both men and women, i.e., that feminism is simply the “tool” and “useful idiot” of Patriarchs, must be repeated over and over again.

    In the end, it will (as ever) be women’s rejection of feminism as harmful to their own lives that will carry the day. Their men will follow along — docile as usual.

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @pjl

    “A strategy geared toward restoring constitutional rights is a solution.”

    Well, it might be. But, thus far, all the hoohah (which I have seen going on ever since I went online) over the constitution being ignored by politicians and judges has not worked, has it?

    The constitution keeps being eroded.

    Furthermore, we are **all** slowly losing our countries at this particular point in time – and your constitution is going to die as this process continues.

    Two further points about the constitution are as follows, …

    1. Even 100 years ago, even though the constitution was better observed, it was STILL the case that men were treated like sh#t.

    2. The constitution can be (and has been) interpreted to mean different things. In other words, I’m not quite sure why you think it will help men vis a vis women.

    But none of this is really relevant to my point.

    My point is that we have got to CHANGE PEOPLE’S MINDS in order for the MM to be successful.

    And if there really is such a thing as *A* solutiion then ***THAT*** is the ‘solution’.

    If we don’t CHANGE PEOPLE’S MINDS then it will not matter how much ‘democracy’ we’ve got, will it?

    Thus, ‘the solution’ is not ‘more democracy’ as implied in Stephen’s article.

    Now, I’m not saying that aiming for ‘more democracy’ will not help us. I feel sure it will.

    But, to repeat, if there is such a thing as a solution, then it is CHANGING PEOPLE’S MINDS.

    What irritates me about Stephen’s article is this kind of thing, …

    ” The sort of “men’s movement” that we should have in mind is less of a men’s movement than it is a “democracy revival” movement. ”

    It is a sideways attack on our very existence.

    I know that Stephen doesn’t mean this to be the case.

    But it hurts!

    And I’m a sensitive soul!

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Stephen Jarosek

    “Exactly.”

    Yes, but “social and legal injustice” is a broad and elusive target, like trying to nail jello to a tree.

    At least through feminism we have a concentration of ideology and political influence that provide a more concise target.

    I agree that it is not perfect, but we must consider that we don’t benefit from an ethereal explanation. Ultimately we are just fighting human nature, but lending that as a model takes us nowhere and let’s most of the tyrants, including feminists, completely off the hook.

  • daveinga

    this is all good stuff. makes one think. but we shouldn’t think we have not had an impact with our activism. when i lost my parental rights for no good reason in the ’70′s, there were no voices like ours ‘shouting in the wilderness’. if any woman wanted it, judges decreed it, and law enforcement reacted, immediately, and sometimes viciously. early feminism started labeling anybody who disagreed names like deadbeat dads. today, deadbeats are legion, and the methods used by the judiciary in reaction are completely at odds with our forefather’s design that we should have no debtor’s prisons, or that we should have no “special” groups of people, and dozens of other privileges certain groups have acquired for themselves by unconstitutional manipulation of the laws.

    today we see these same, more refined feminist tactics still being used, and used effectively, “birthers, teabaggers”. attaching liberal labels to groups that disagree/protest against them has worked well; but, it has been overused. the brighter ones are starting to see what fruits the destruction of our constitution are bringing to fruition. every blog i go to discussing dumbo’s failing policies attack him on all levels. in short, the gig is up. history is replete with fools like this one leading the lemmings off a cliff. good riddance i say. if and when it is time to pick up the pieces, feminist and minority privilege probably won’t mean much anymore.

    our idiot in charge has embraced feminism. that photo-op of him wearing a t-shirt saying ‘this is what a feminist looks like’ says it all. we should make sure he is identified with feminism at every turn. if we should survive what horror is to come, the least we can hope for the MRM, and mankind in general, is that this pretender takes that abomination (feminism) into hell with him.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Harry

    What do you want from me Harry? The thought of fighting on behalf of the rights of some of the spineless manginas that I’ve encountered, just because they are male, makes my flesh crawl. On their own initiative, female feminists are harmless and incompetent, and they know to stay well away from anyone with the guts to take them on… instead they’ll get some ape (male feminists) to act on their behalf. That has been their modus-operandi from the get-go.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Paul Elam

    Are you suggesting that there is a simple answer? I certainly don’t have it. I do know that feminism can be fun. Per’s Manifesto used to make me laugh. Priceless. What happened to Per? Does he walk among us? Does he read MND?

  • Alek

    Until I read this article’s comments I assumed everyone knows this. Apparently not. It’s funny to see all the denials here.

    Yes guys, feminism is nothing but a tool of the NWO or the power elites.

    I mean how hard is that to see? Did you honestly think that bitter, no selfesteem women with no personal power could gain so much power to change lives, countries and laws? Seriously?

    Feminism is female neurosis personified, and certain structures found that to be a nice way to pit women against men and soften men.

    It’s a fact, all revolutions and tyrants are brought down by men. Killing male power is the perfect strategy for nwo as they have no one to oppose them.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Stephen Jarosek

    Simple? no. A clear and still important target? Certainly.

    I don’t know what happened to Per. I used to read him on soc.men back in the 90′s, but haven’t seen hide nor hair since then.

    I do wish he would pop in and submit.

  • http://www.gndzerosrv.com Jim Untershine

    I agree with Alek

    The NWO created and funded radical feminism for 2 specific reasons:
    1) To tax women
    2) To break up the family – to allow the kids to be indoctrinated at an early age to accept the state as their family – to accept teachers and state officials as their parents.

    Nick Rockefeller admitted that the Rockefeller Foundation funded ‘Women’s Lib’ and Gloria Steinem admitted the CIA funded MS Magazine (watch the Aaron Russo interview with Alex Jones at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918#)

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Stephen 1.36 am

    I don’t really understand your points.

    I ALWAYS get wound up when someone suggests/and or indirectly implies that the MM is a waste of time.

    And, as an MRA, what do you expect me to do?

    Am I supposed to agree with you that the MM is not worth supporting?

    Do you expect me to undermine the MM by saying that MRAs are wasting their time?

    @Alex

    “feminism is nothing but a tool of the NWO or the power elites.”

    That might be true. But it doesn’t alter the fact that the feminists, the media, the academics etc etc also exert a huge feminist force.

    Thus, and for example, Hitler was a force behind the campaign against Jews and the plot to rule over Europe.

    But getting rid of Hitler meant taking on ALL those forces (e.g. the German army) that supported him.

  • Michael Thompson

    I don’t think articles like this serve much purpose other than to alienate those who look for rational arguments to justify men’s activism. Using emotive language and dramatising the situation hide the fact that there is nothing to argue. It does not matter how legislators and powerful people attained their positions because that cannot be changed right now. Men have to work with the situation as it is and not how they might wish it was.

    It seems the article is just a thinly veiled expression of resentment towards feminism and men who have power and that is a self indulgence that men cannot afford. There is too much to do to make sure men are treated equally in society and energy wasted on resentment and other forms of aggression is better spent in the practical pursuit of our rights.

    Men can be false victims too and I think it is important to focus on what we can do rather than what we cannot. We cannot change any feminist and we cannot change any current legislator or judge but we can change ourselves. That means acknowledging our anger and keeping focused on the practical things required to make sure justice is done. Going off on tangents of resentment just to satisfy some personal insecurity weakens the men’s rights movement each time it happens. No one can ‘psychologically castrate’ you unless you let them. There may be injustices and it is right to work towards correcting them but we should do so without ever surrendering our dignity or our respect for our fellow human beings.

    The author talks of practical solutions at the end of the article but it is only to state the obvious. The rest of the article is more of an attack and is not necessary or helpful to men’s rights.

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Jim Untershine, Alek

    The sugar-daddies behind feminism:
    http://www.henrymakow.com/the_real_patriarchy_is_plutocr.html

  • Stephen Jarosek

    @Harry

    The MM is NOT a waste of time. As a cell of men prepared to stand up for what they believe in, it is a valuable resource. But the MM needs to regroup, and to redefine what it is that they are opposing. In the first instance, the enemy is feminism, a political ideology comprised equally of both women AND men.

    If we have anything to learn from feminists, it is how NOT to be.

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Stephen

    “The MM is NOT a waste of time.”

    Yes, but you seemed to imply that it was.

    “If we have anything to learn from feminists, it is how NOT to be.”

    Hmm. I’m not so sure.

    I recommend that you read some of the pieces here, …

    http://www.angryharry.com/esEffectiveActivism.htm

  • homeliberty

    Stephen wrote: “(feminism could not have gotten off the ground without the concerted efforts of chivalrous, marxist men) suggests that we urgently need to get our priorities right.”

    This is exactly what transpired, though it’s difficult to imagine a Fabian socialist or the modern Darwinian Warmest could possibly be chivalrous in any way absent the prerequisite of morality and decency. But what is has been consistently absent in western civilization of late is any urgent need to raise up Christ above themselves. What modern society worships is law, civil law to be exact. These laws, many in direct conflict with God’s plan for mankind, are the means to supplant lawful authority of God into the hands of corrupt, amoral and deviant authority headed by Women-Man. Thus we have a civil government that has placed themselves above God and over the individual and family. You shall bow, you non-custodials and divorcees…. and worship the civil authority over you. You worship all things but Christ, and in return you are getting complete, and total one world government to plunder you and keep you in bondage.

    Men who do not recognize ordered liberty will continue to whine like a feminazis suffering from PMS. They will beg on bended knee for “fairness”. Poor things.

  • gwallan

    Really pleased to see Professor Jones work getting some exposure.

    I highly recommend his piece Effacing the Male. It gives some context to our willingness – or more correctly lack of willingness – to acknowledge – male suffering.

    There are manifestations of this disregard at the highest levels. It’s there in the UN and it’s numerous umbrella agencies. Another recent manifestation is the World Economic Forum’s so-called Global Gender Gap Report which treats any male disadvantage as equality.

    The real final frontier is our capacity to be as compassionate toward men as we can be toward women.

  • Dabir Dalton

    As a Male I am quite aware (indeed I’m forcefully made aware every single day) that the average male is my worst enemy…That is just one of the reasons that I don’t support the MRM or the FRM’s as the enemy of my enemy is also my unwitting ally…

  • Towgunner

    Men,

    Good work, credit to all of you for just being here. When women say they have made strides in this and that I remind myself that they had no choice to make it a zero sum and very un-fair game. And so they continue to prop themselves up through the use of artificial means i.e. laws, affirmative action, speech codes, university departments, and political correctness. Many, if not all, of these items are not democratic and contrary to the founding principles of this country. Today, it’s commonly accepted that big government is the problem of many things. A men’s movement needs to recognize that feminism is a co-joined twin of the state and it can be said that big state equals unfair balance to women and limited states means…the opposite? I argue yes, but clarify it as: a limited state equals a more natural existence. And that’s the crux of the argument, men, as well as the travesty at hand. Regardless of the political inconvenience there are natural occurring differences between man and woman and similarly different roles that each sex is best suited for. That being said, a non-interfering government enabling the individual to stride un-hindered by authority enables what feminist hate the most – a culture that has found equilibrium on its own terms. As history has proven, over and over, patriarchy is a natural occurring phenomenon and critical to our species successful development. So, embracing our constitution, our idea of a republic and dismissing artificial influences that result in indoctrination, deception and hard laws that are biased and prejudice will be the entrée to reestablishing the proper order and balance of things. The travesty is to live in an upside-down world where nature, common sense and reason are mocked and persecuted due to abstract ideological constructs.

  • Kris

    Who cares anymore? Maybe it is time for western civilization and all the feminist’s to just die?

    It might sound harsh but by “fighting the system” you are only enabling feminist’s and their genetic descendants to survive. By allowing western civilization to collapse and die you ensure the extinction of feminism.

    In the end society has committed too many crimes against men to continue, Western civilization must be destroyed. And at this point the easiest way to destroy western civilization is to do nothing.






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