The Abortion of Equality and the Birth of Double Standards

2009-12-17
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To many, those who advocate for a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy be it for medical reasons, a rape, a strategic career move, or simply to avoid financial responsibility, pro-choice advocates among feminist organizations miss a crucial point (as they usually do) in their advocacy. That point, as feminists are notoriously known for ignoring, is that there is another side to this issue. There are fathers who took part in the conception of the said child, or fetus, depending on what type of pro-choice or pro-life advocate you speak to. That father may or may not want the responsibilities of the child as well. The father may be trying to advance in a career or maybe he just doesn’t want a child at the moment. However, the decision for the father is solely that of the mother. If a woman is pregnant, be it planned or an accident, whether or not any responsibilities for the child will be set forth is up to her alone. This is the way many feel it should be for the simple fact that mothers carry and birth children.

Personally, I feel that a father should have some say in whether a pregnancy is terminated or not. He did have a hand in creating the life after all. On the other hand I can understand the feminist perspective of the issue (as crazy as that sounds) seeing as how if I had a life growing inside of me I wouldn’t want someone to be able to tell me I have to go to a medical facility and terminate that life, nor would I want to need someone’s consent to terminate that life. Granted, many believe that there is no life until birth but regardless of who is on either side of that debate, the law states that the termination is legal and I would not want someone telling me I can’t exercise a legal right without the consent of someone else.

So the issue of whether or not a woman should be able to terminate her pregnancy is not, in my mind, an issue at all. Let her abort all she wants, it’s her body and her choice. This however, raises the question of what occurs when a father does not want a child. Feminists, as always, have jumped on any sliver of a chance to demonize men when it comes to any issue, human or otherwise. According to feminists, men who don’t want the financial responsibilities that come with a child are cowards or “deadbeats.” The fact that the term “deadbeat dad” was not created by feminists is not lost on me. However, it is a term they are not afraid to use when claiming that men are somehow oppressing women and that the advocacy anti-feminist groups make against forced child support and alimony is nothing but a bunch of irresponsible fathers looking for an easy way out of their obligations.

The questions I ask every feminist I hear these accusations from is, why exactly is a man who wants to opt out of his responsibilities as a father a coward and a woman who does the same thing with abortion “empowered” and “beating the patriarchy” or something like that? Why are these obligations that feminists are so concerned about only male obligations? The response I always get is a shameful diversion of the question along the lines of,

“who ultimately carries the child”

or

“who gives birth”

and an assortment of other cliché responses. I have not met a feminist who can answer this question without trying to turn the debate away from a man having similar rights that a woman has when it comes to parenthood, to trying to make it seem as if I am advocating against a woman having abortion rights.

I think it is sensible to make legal the opting out of parenthood for both men and women meaning that if both a man and woman want a child then they can have one. If a woman doesn’t want a child she can let the father have it if he is willing or put it up for adoption or abort if he is not, or even if he is willing and she just wants to abort. On the other side, the equality side, if a father doesn’t want a child and a mother does then he should not be forced to pay child support and or alimony, be he an ex-husband, boyfriend, or one night stand. It is simple logic and the truest form of equality that I feel can be reached when it comes to allowing both men and women complete control over their bodies and finances. However, as one would expect, feminists support one side of this issue, allowing women to abort but actively protest the abolishment of forced child support and alimony. Just as abortion is a choice so to should be child support and alimony. Why support legal freedom of one side and protest the other? Why shout to anyone who listens that a man forcing a woman to have a child she doesn’t want is inhumane but at the same time advocate that a woman who goes to court and forces a man to pay child support for a child he doesn’t want is just and empowering? Why claim that forcing a man to pay child support is in the best interests of the child and a child’s interests trump those of a father and at the same time claim a woman’s interests trump those of a child when she chooses to abort it? Why do feminists who are shown the double standard in this line of thinking respond with despicable clichés such as

“if you don’t want to pay child support then keep it in your pants”

and several others? Maybe those over at N.O.W can explain it better than me, because the concept brings about nothing but confusion when I try and wrap my head around it. I ask anyone be they an anti-feminist, (if they can stomach this request), a “moderate” feminist, or an average person who doesn’t care about any of this to go to the N.O.W website and type in alimony or child support on their search bar. I clicked through a few of the articles and reports that popped up and found it extremely hypocritical at how they oppose any group that wants to put an end to forced child support. It is also rather comical. There are several “action alerts” posted up from years past urging feminists to call their congressmen and vice president and voice their protest of bills and title reforms proposed by anyone, be they anti-feminists or completely unbiased that would bring some form of relief to the countless fathers across many countries that are barely getting by because of forced child support and alimony payments. They are also working to find “solutions” to getting men who have fallen behind on payments to reimburse women as if the threat of prison isn’t good enough in forcing them to forget about their own financial security and make sure their ex gets her “entitled” cut of his hard earned money. These people openly broadcast their bigotry yet are still allowed to influence government decisions. Why?

Another abortion of equality I will touch on is the standards of rape that have been set in the legal system. I think anyone, be they an anti-feminist or a feminist would agree that a man or a woman who forces themselves on someone else sexually is a rapist. You’ll notice that the most simplistic outlooks on crimes that are committed can be agreed upon by any groups that agree with or disagree with the current legal system. However, this two sided human issue that has been kidnapped by the one side female supremacy advocates known as feminists is another shameful disgrace that proves feminists have as much place in government politics as the Nazis or the Roman Catholic Church of the dark ages. The standard that men (and only men) must follow in regards to intimate encounters is to make sure that a woman verbally gives consent before actually getting intimate even if she initiates in a non verbal manner. The standard that women follow is to pick a guy that they want to have sex with and go get him, consent or no consent. Even after this, consent given and enjoyed, the woman is at a crossroad and the man is at her mercy.

Bar and club settings are there for two reasons, to go and get drunk and dance with friends or to go and get laid. I’m sure there are many people who have wound up married to the person they met at one of these places but it is doubtful that was their initial intention. Scores of men and women dressed in attire meant to attract the opposite sex frequent these establishments. They drink, they dance, and they drink some more. Not too many decades ago it was a male demonizing norm to view men as the “punch spikers” who “got women drunk” in order to take advantage of them. The only ones who hold on to and spread that insulting idealology now are of course feminists who all but claim that alcohol was invented for the sole purpose of being a tool a man can use to get in a woman’s pants. However, anyone who actually goes to bars and clubs will see that within the huge crowds, both men and women consume large amounts of alcohol of their own free will. You will also spot many men and women who barely know each other laughing and holding hands as they stumble their way out of the establishment to drive drunkenly back to either the man or woman’s apartment. What happens next is obvious; however, what happens after that, as with the double standard in parental rights, is completely up to the woman. Usually when a man wakes up next to a woman and finds that she is not the super model his “beer goggles” once led him to believe she was the reaction is usually a sigh of disappointment, a hope that his buddies will not find out, or a hope that a meaningful relationship is not expected. Unfortunately, far too often in these same scenarios, when the woman wakes up and finds that Tom Cruise is really Kevin James, instead of a sigh of disappointment a fear of embarrassment envelopes her and instead of just admitting she made a decision while intoxicated that she would not make sober, she instead chooses to claim a rape occurred. There are several reasons this happens other than embarrassment yet oddly enough, rape is the only option of how to explain away the consent of a sexual action that is exclusive to women. If the same guy mentioned before happened to be cheating on his wife or girlfriend with the girl next to him, an assortment of ways to cover up the deed would circle around his mind yet rape would not be one of them. Men are not angels and will lie to get out of trouble but any lie that a guy would come up with in this particular situation, that millions of men throughout recent history have been in whether they were cheating or not, would not condemn the woman next to them to twenty years or more in prison. Furthermore, men are more prone to just actively deny cheating or sleeping with a not so gorgeous woman until the evidence is too heavy to deny than come up with some elaborate scheme. After that the scorn or laughter is taken and they move on.

The reasoning behind why women can be so cruel as to send a man to prison just to avoid being made fun of or to hide infidelity is not lost on me. Women do not do these despicable things just because they are women. They do these things because there is no legal punishment that would discourage the crime, a crime, that to many, mainly feminists, is not a crime at all. That said; there is a clear understanding between many anti-feminists that women are not inherent liars because they are women but because they are human. This simple fact can be illustrated in the fact that if the table were turned and anyone would believe a woman raped a man simply because he said so and there was little to no punishment involved for lying, I believe it is safe to say there would be several false rape allegations made by men. Although the point that human beings being liars is not the issue, it does hold weight within the main issue of false rape charges. One of the many claims and theories feminists use to defend false rape accusers is that society believes women are inherent liars and that any woman claiming she was raped is a whore. Whenever the advocacy of severe punishment for false rape accusers is brought up, feminists are the first ones to jump in front of the equality train. They will claim that bringing public attention to and punishing those proven to be lying about a crime as serious as rape that could and in many cases already has put thousands upon thousands of innocent men in prison is damaging to real victims of rape.

This I believe is one of the main reasons feminist organizations have begun losing court battles and members. This is also why I believe any movement be it a women’s movement or men’s movement that only focuses on their side of an issue and advocates for their advancement at the expense of other will eventually fall due to one simple fact. Feminists that have advocated for the advancement of women at the expense of men have not realized or have simply (and rather arrogantly) ignored the fact that the same women they are placing above men, instead of beside them (equality?) have brothers and uncles, sons and fathers, and friends and lovers. These women that become disgusted with feminism see their male family members and friends being torn down for no other reason than the fact that they are men and decide to help put an end to the discrimination. Feminists are not blind to the rise of this inevitable phenomenon, they have just simply shrugged it off and kept their feet firmly planted on the equality train tracks, shoving away anyone that does not agree with their perspective on what men and women should believe, what defines them, or how men and women should act when given a certain situation. They try and in a lot of instances succeed in reducing a debate on a serious issue such as abortion or rape to a schoolyard argument over whether boys are better than girls. When those boys and girls grow up the argument evolves to which gender is screwed over by the legal system more or who is the bigger victim.

I for one do not care which gender is unfairly represented by the law more than the other. I simply feel that taking away the unfairness put down on one gender without causing unfairness for the other is the most logical route to take. Granted, complete fairness in all aspects of every issue is probably impossible, however, giving men the right to say “my wallet my choice” would not in any way take away a woman’s right to abort or birth a child if she so chooses. Leaving drunken consensual sex out of the category of rape and punishing those proven of lying about it on par with those proven (with evidence, not testimony) of committing it would decrease the number of false allegations without increasing the number of rape victims.

Feminists disagree with these logical proposals and feel that only a woman should have the freedom to choose whether or not she will support a child. They feel that a woman who has sex with a man while he, she, or neither of them was intoxicated has been raped if she regrets the decision days, months, or even years later. There are few feminists who acknowledge the double standards of these notions (when facts no longer allow them to deny it) yet do not protest it to anyone that can affect change in the broken movement that is feminism.

Feminism has aborted equality and given birth to the many double standards men face throughout western society. Their bigotry, once gone, will be remembered, it will be studied, but it will not be missed.

By Jared “jmnzz” W.

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  • http://www.standyourground.com POIUYT

    Unequal special privileges, and on top of that, contradictory but equal rights to others.

    Only a foolish man cannot see he is being doubly violated when the females want to be equal in rights to him, but dont want him to be equal to them in privileges.

    More disturbing is the elaborate plethorality of institutions and processes men themselves built to enforce and police this mish-mash of discriminatory measures against their own genderclass and progeny.

  • http://www.unitywall.com TXM

    Relationships between men and women are complicated, but there do appear to be winners and losers at the game of love.

    Feminist policies seem, to me, to be written by the losers.

    The law should rise above affairs of the heart. It should be blind to gender and serve equality by providing equal protections and punishments. It should never be used to get revenge on a lover/spouse for breaking one’s heart.

    If we decide as a society that a woman has the choice to opt-out of parenthood with an abortion, a man should also have the ability to opt-out of financially supporting the child.

    Only the marital assets earned while the couple were together should be split. Alimony and child support should be completely eliminated. If a divorced mother wants her ex-husband to support thier child, she should try being nice to him and encouraging a loving relationship between the child and his/her father. That simple shift would heal a world of wounds.

    If the father still does not support the child, and if that becomes a financial hardship, perhaps the divorced mother should consider letting the father raise the child if he is more capable financially.

    If that doesn’t work, maybe neither parent is ready to raise the child and that child should be put up for adoption.

    If feminists don’t like these ideas, maybe they should try keeping thier legs crossed. It takes two to play!

  • Phillip

    It’s called ‘having it both ways’. Propaganda works well on the less intelligent. Most people, it seems, are too lazy or too unintelligent to actually research beyond headlines, sound-bytes or pithy but unrealistic one-liners.
    I do, however, disagree with the statement “They do these things because there is no legal punishment that would discourage the crime,…” in reference to women who would rather send a man to prison instead of endure the consequences of her actions or face embarrassment for her own lack of poor judgment.
    Over a period of decades, the majority of the less intelligent women have been brainwashed to believe that men are inherently evil and doing bad things to them are deserved, regardless. It is a first-class hatred borne out of propaganda: lies, half-truths and innuendo.
    Things like TV sit-coms and commercials showing dad to be a bumbling idiot, incapable of dressing himself and less intelligent than his children are now the substance of many people’s reality. Regardless that they may intellectually know full well that the subject is absolutely not reality, the repetition it powerful and convincing (“Tell a lie, make it big and keep repeating it, soon they will believe it” ~A. Hitler)
    Feminist propaganda, much like American advertising, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on a rational theory that can be disproved and it appeals to things no one can object to like freedom and security which, according to the propaganda, has been denied women since the dawn of time. The leading emotions used in feminist propaganda is fear and anger; fear of man and anger over a mythological “patriarchy”, which is nothing more than man’s ability and innate desire to provide and protect.
    In feminism there exists no logic, which is required for understanding that equality works for everyone or else it becomes the very thing they are supposedly against.
    On the one hand, feminism portrays women as weak and incapable which then leads to the need for special laws for women like affirmative action (stolen from minorities) or VAWA (inequality before the law. This has been expanded into special “hate crimes”, which provide a special level of protection to certain individuals as if they are more deserving of police protection). On the other hand, they portray women as more capable, smarter and emotionally better balanced than men; sometimes even stronger.
    I hope you are correct that feminism is doomed and failing but I see little evidence that men are being treated anywhere near equal to women. Abortion-as-birth-control still exists for women along with the ability to give birth and demand payment for that decision for up to 20 years or more without anything even approaching “equal” treatment for the father; a near guaranteed lock on custody in never-married or divorce situations along with paternity fraud and false claims of rape among a very long list of facts proving that anti-male sexism is alive and well in both societal viewpoint and the law, which indicates no lessening of sexism propelled and fashioned by feminism. People may be getting wise to the sexism of feminism but far too many women continue holding on to that edge, knowing full well it is unfair. They can often be identified by “I’m not a feminist but…” or “I’m not THAT type of feminist.” Then there are the manginas…

  • Overquoted

    Are you serious? You do know that women have to pay child support as well, yes? And more importantly, doling out a few hundred a month is a helluva lot less of a burden than actually raising a child. You never have to take a day from work because your kid is too sick to go to school or daycare. You never have to deal with the emotional ups and downs of a child or teenager. All you do is open your wallet.

    That said, if you want to abolish child support, there has to be a system in place to help children with only one parent. Personally, this ought to be in place regardless. So instead of bitterly complaining that, oh my god, you actually have some minor responsibility to your kid, try coming up with something better than the headache of the child support system. Though personally, I don’t see why the hell those of us without kids ought to worry about your inability to put on a condom.

    As for the whole rape tangent (what does this have to do with child support?), you’re off your rocker, dude. When women are proven to have lied about rape, they go to jail. Often longer than a rapist would. And so-called false claims are rarer than most other false claims of crime. It’s something like <2% of all rape claims (far, far more go unreported; to make it easier for you to understand…there are so many more actual rapists outside of prison than falsely accused rapists inside).

    But naturally, those <2% of false rape claims invalidate claims of rape altogether. And there's certainly never been a case where a man has waited till a woman has passed out from drunkenness before screwing her. Also no cases where a man has slipped a woman something extra in order to 'help' her get over her inhibition. Ultimately, the reason we have courts is to sort crimes from human stupidity. Yes, there are men in prison for crimes they didn't commit, but that's true of *every* form of crime, including crimes where 'feminists' had nothing to do with it. You want to rail against unjust imprisonment, I'm with you. You wanna rail against rape victims in general, and I'd rather listen to tweens screech over Twilight for the thousandth time.

    TXM, if you don't want to have to pay child support, maybe you should keep YOUR legs crossed. Takes two to play, baby.

    Or, you know, wear a freakin' condom. Get sterilized. Etc.

  • Jay R

    “Overquoted” … and under-informed about the prevalence of false rape accusations. (Upwards of 25 to 50%, according to neutral, non-feminist studies.) Also, the incidence of “date rape drugging” is virtually non-existent. It turns out that the ladies just got drunk as skunks (but heaven forbid they are responsible for the consequences of their own foolish, reckless decisions.)

    None are so blind as those who will not see.

    Feminists MUST be committed to ignorance (or cognitive dissonance will cause their heads to explode).

  • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com jmnzz

    @Overqouted

    You name yourself that because you spew too much idiocy?

    Fact 1. Women receive children nearly 80% of the time so that is nearly 80% of all child support when child support is forced after a marriage.

    Fact 2. Women are the only ones who can force child support after an accidental pregnancy with a boyfriend or one night stand and they are the only ones that can decide to terminate that pregnancy if they do not want the financial obligation. This means, that child responsibilities and obligations are only “male” obligations and they are decided by a woman before the child is even born.

    Fact 4. A woman can opt out of the financial responsibilities of a child and a man can not. The fact that maybe 1% (admittedly just guessing here, more than I can say for you) of child support paid is by women is irrelevant, that woman had a choice of whether or not the child would even exist or not while the man did not.

    Fact 5. I am not off my rocker, you have your panties in a bunch (metaphorically if you are a mangina) because men and women are no longer afraid to expose the double standards of feminist bigotry.

    My wallet my choice will be a reality. Get ready for it.

    “if you want to abolish child support, there has to be a system in place to help children with only one parent.”

    There is, it is called abortion, women use it all the time when they do not want financial responsibility. Why should a man be forced to pay just because a woman wanted to keep a child she couldn’t afford? The opposite does not happen. Double standard much?

    It seems you enjoy the fact that single mothers can go to court and force fathers to pay yet single fathers can’t. Boy, are you in for a surprise.

    “So instead of bitterly complaining that, oh my god, you actually have some minor responsibility to your kid, try coming up with something better than the headache of the child support system.”

    Wow, you live and breath double standards. Men are the only ones who have no CHOICE but to deal with these responsibilities so again, your argument is pointless.

    “Though personally, I don’t see why the hell those of us without kids ought to worry about your inability to put on a condom.”

    What do you think I have a kid or something? I am finding it comical how you show your inability for rational thought. I wrote this to help support the men who have lost their job, lives, and freedom due to forced child support and alimony (you couldn’t find any cliches in your feminist handbook about alimony could you?).

    “And more importantly, doling out a few hundred a month is a helluva lot less of a burden than actually raising a child.”

    Choice: Women-all Men-0

    “You never have to take a day from work because your kid is too sick to go to school or daycare. You never have to deal with the emotional ups and downs of a child or teenager.”

    Maybe because that particular father doesn’t want to? Don’t you think he should have a choice in the matter like the mother had before and after the child was born? Of course you don’t, feminists never do.

    2% false claims? Really now, the more intelligent bigots in your movement have at least raised the number to 8% although still a lie.

    Women go to prison longer than men convicted of rape when they are proven to be liars? Really? Maybe I should go see how Crystal Gail Mangum, Danmell Ndonye, Melissa Leahy-Rossow, and Ligia Filler are holding up behind bars then. Wait…they are still free, some of them pursuing careers.

    Maybe I should talk to the many false accusers that have been sent to receive counseling instead of jail time. Maybe I should talk to the false accusers facing around maybe 2-7 years (probably 3 for good behavior) instead of 20-25.

    “And there’s certainly never been a case where a man has waited till a woman has passed out from drunkenness before screwing her.”

    Yes and there has certainly never been a case where a guy has passed out from too much alcohol and woken up with some random woman screwing him.

    You see how that works? Two sides to an issue? Equality? Fairness? Caring about men and women? Human Issues? Yes? No? They put themselves in those positions?

    “No cases where a man has slipped a woman something”

    Women don’t plant drugs in men’s drinks? According to your own personal feelings they don’t right? Yeah forgive me if I don’t take your (propaganda) word for it. Kinda funny how you add in something that has nothing to do with the topic of that part of the article, which is someone getting drunk “on their own”

    “Yes there are men in prison for crimes they didn’t commit but that’s true of every crime.”

    Well actually there is no real way of knowing if that is true of every crime, but let me ask you something. How many women are in prison on false charges of rape? How many are in prison for not paying child support and alimony for children that are and indeed are “not” theirs?

    These reasons here are exclusive to men. You might think it is the reason why I mentioned them as “male” issues but anyway…

    “You want to rail against unjust imprisonment I’m with you”

    Apparently you aren’t.

    “Wear a freakin’ condom”

    You do realize that you are performing every cliche I said feminists would that are willfully ignorant to the facts I stated in this article right?

    Answering all of the retardation you decided to spew into your comment box was a courtesy, I could have easily told you to just reread the article and look for everything you just said as one of the predicted responses a feminist would make when facts no longer allow them to deny the truth but oh well. Have fun watching more bigoted feminist policies change :) .

    Jared W.

  • Phillip

    Overquoted appears to be one of those I was posting about when I said: “Most people, it seems, are too lazy or too unintelligent to actually research beyond headlines, sound-bytes or pithy but unrealistic one-liners.”, completely forgetting that many child-support paying fathers also raised children and the numbers seemingly plucked out of thin air (more likely off some feministic website). It seems the pain and suffering that mothers (only) endure could be alleviated by adding more monthly tax-free money, even though being a single mother is exactly the arrangement most of them demanded in the first place.

    Another item missing in this article is two other options that are available to women but virtually and practically unavailable to men: legal abandonment and arranged adoption.
    Most states have some type of “Baby Moses Law”. These laws have different names in different areas but the primary goal is to allow mothers to drop off an infant (allowable age varies depending on jurisdiction), usually with no questions asked or at most, asked about family medical history without getting too specific. The claimed basis is to prevent mothers from abandoning their babies in trash receptacles or public bathrooms, etc. but apparently doesn’t very well help prevent it. Even states that lack this type of program are well within a day’s drive of one that does.
    Theoretically, this is genderless but factually it is just another option for women. A mother always knows when she is pregnant and gives birth but the fact can sometimes be hidden from the father so that such a mother is able to unilaterally abandon an infant where the father must have the mother’s permission. It appears also that many women fail to inform the father and many convince the wrong man he is the father.
    When a father abandons a baby to the one person the law recognizes as in the best interests of children (the mother) he is guilty of a crime yet mothers are legally allowed to leave the same baby with a stranger.
    Adopting out a child is similar to legalized abandonment except it doesn’t have to be hidden from the father but it is far less assured to see completion because some states still consider the father’s interest, at least partially.

  • Saga1916

    Quote from leading article -
    “Why do feminists who are shown the double standard in this line of thinking respond with despicable clichés such as

    if you don’t want to pay child support then keep it in your pants” – Unquote

    An impractical and unrealistic demand – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman.

    It is the women, and the woman alone, who decides to keep a foetus, and so should face up to her responsibilities and not expect a Man to support her unless he is willing to do so.

    I fully agree with
    But big changes are on the way, we will have a male contraceptive pill in around 5 years or less, then all the arguments will cease, because Men will only have children when they want them. So if she does have a child then he will indeed be as responsible as she.

    But the question I ask myself is, what Man, with the present anti-man breeding laws, is going to want them. Would you? My wife and I never had children and now with her deceased I am very much better off than most men, able to lead a much fuller life, debt free and fully retired, financially independent of work and the state.

  • Saga1916

    I fully agree with jmnzz.

  • Saga1916

    Reply to Overquoted
    December 18th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Quote -
    Or, you know, wear a freakin’ condom. Get sterilized. Etc
    – Unquote

    These are impractical and unrealistic suggestions for the following reasons –

    Today’s male contraception consists of the condom, the timing, and vasectomy. The first two are highly unreliable and open to deliberate prevention by women. i.e. the condom can be pulled off by the vaginal sphincter muscle during intercourse, and forgotten or neglected altogether in ’spontaneous’ sex; and the timing is open to error and deceit.

    The vasectomy consists of surgical mutilation with serious short and long term health implications, and it appears to me that it has been quietly abandoned by a medical profession anxious to avoid litigation. The main health implications consist of inflammation of the scrotum due to decomposition of the deposited semen and sperm granulomas, and due to this, a restriction in the regular milking of the prostrate, which is necessary because of the constant exposure and stimulation that all men receive from the pheromones of menstruating women. It is highly unlikely that a man can pass a single day without this exposure unless he lives a monk like existence! Thus the prostrate is constantly irritated by inflammation of un-discharged ’male milk’ (there appears to be no medical term for this – an indication of the disregard for male conditions) which increases the likelihood of eventual prostrate cancer. The National Cancer Institute reports that there are some studies to suggest an association between a vasectomy and prostate cancer.

    Thus AT PRESENT THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE AND PRACTICAL MALE CONTRACEPTIVE.

    But one is one it’s way – the male contraceptive pill.

    Saga1916

  • Dabir Dalton

    When it comes to men in this day and age there are two kinds of individuals who engage in sex with a female: Those who are stupid and those who have a death wish…I have absolutely no empathy for any male who rolls the dice by getting married and/or playing the field and loses half of his assets or more along with his children…When he could have used the hat rack sitting on his shoulders and seen it coming from a million miles away…

  • Saga1916

    Reply to Dabir Dalton
    December 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Quote -
    “I have absolutely no empathy for any male who rolls the dice by getting married and/or playing the field and loses half of his assets or more along with his children” – Unquote

    That is rather hard, even unfair, on many good Men – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman. See my comment 8 above.

  • Dabir Dalton

    It is neither hard nor unfair but reality…If one chooses to ignore the risks and play the game anyway I will not listen to ya whine when ya lose nor cheer if ya happen to win…Cause stupid is as stupid does and when it comes to females the average male has proven by his actions to my satisfaction that he is downright stupid…

  • Bruno

    @ Dabir Dalton
    You are not helping…
    You are adding more pressure, guilt and shame on top of the daily dose men get from feminists.
    How can you blame a young man when he thinks a woman has very special rights and privileges and needs special treatment?
    This has been forced into his head, manipulated and brain-washed, by his parents, the school system, and the media every day of his life, always and everywhere.
    And he is even made to believe that all this is because he himself is the actual privileged one…
    Twenty years later, he will realize he has been used and lied to, (they call it the midlife crisis then) but the damage has been done, and he cannot turn back the clock.
    And then on top of that he’s being blamed for being stupid?

  • Bruno

    @Dabir Dalton
    But I’m happy for you that you never fell into this trap.

  • Saga1916

    @ Dabir Dalton
    December 21st, 2009 at 12:08 am

    “If one chooses to ignore the risks ”

    An impractical and unrealistic demand – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman.

    It is the women, and the woman alone, who decides to keep a foetus so produced, and so should face up to her responsibilities and not expect a Man to support her unless he is willing to do so

    @ Bruno
    December 21st, 2009 at 1:59 am

    Dabir seems to be a Feminist woman.

  • Dabir Dalton

    Willful blindness is a personal problem and I will not waste my time feeling sorry for a man who of his own free places himself at risk. It really is quite simple if you don’t want to have a child or be forced to pay child support then don’t engage in sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Cause if ya do I will not listen to you whine about the consequences of your own actions when ya get burned.

    The double standards you guys talk about is so blatant and in yo face in this day and age that any fellow who believes that it won’t happen to him and risks it all in a marriage as far as I’m concerned deserves what he gets when it goes sour. So again if you don’t want a divorce that don’t get married cause if you play with fire you will get burned…

  • Dabir Dalton

    Bruno wrote:

    An impractical and unrealistic demand – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman.

    My Answer:

    This is simply an excuse to engage in risky and self destructive behavior especially since men have the ability to restrain themselves…It just so happens that many years ago my first stepmother’s sixteen year old niece attempted to seduce me into sleeping with her during the summer after I turned 13 and I turned her down flat because by then I knew exactly how babies were made and where they came from.

    Bruno wrote:

    It is the women, and the woman alone, who decides to keep a foetus so produced, and so should face up to her responsibilities and not expect a Man to support her unless he is willing to do so

    My Answer:

    It is the height of stupidity for a man who knows this yet sill engages in the risky behavior that brings about this very situation. The idea that a man shouldn’t be held responsible for creating a life is just one of the reasons that I stopped supporting the MRM and FRM…

  • Saga1916

    @ Dabir Dalton
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am

    “If one chooses to ignore the risks ”
    “who of his own free (will) places himself at risk”

    An inaccurate statement, again I repeat – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman.

  • Saga1916

    18
    Dabir Dalton

    Bruno wrote? – it was not. it was I. Get with it woman.

    “This is simply an excuse”

    Exactly, Men should be excused on these grounds and unrealistic expectations not made of them, such as the vague ‘restraint’.

    “men have the ability to restrain themselves”

    Again you are inaccurate – it should be “most men have the ability to restrain themselves most of the time, but not always”

    “man shouldn’t be held responsible for creating a life ” – not when he didn’t want to, or even knew, and it was the woman who alone took the decision.

  • Dabir Dalton

    The idea that a man or that some men cannot restrain him/themselves because of evolution is an outright lie…I suggest that you come up with a better argument…

  • Dabir Dalton

    I repeat any male who willingly sleeps with a female risks a pregnancy and deserves what he gets…

  • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com jmnzz

    @Dabir

    “Any male who willingly sleeps with a female risks a pregnancy and deserves what he gets.”

    You are right to an extent. Men do risk pregnancies when they sleep with women but all men ultimately deserving what they get even when it is unjust is too cold a truth for men to deal with as men are human and humans aren’t perfect. Not all know of or even care about the injustices within the legal system, and some are genuinely tricked because of emotion.

    What many, myself included, seek to do is level the playing field. Forced child support is an unjust and unfair consequence that grants women legal and financial power over men. If that were changed then a huge hole would be punched in this ridiculous “gender war” that I myself feel is not completely a battle of genders but instead a battle against laws shrouded in idiocy and bigotry.

    So again, you make a solid point that men who know of these injustices are somewhat foolish when they put themselves in a position to be screwed over but the fact remains that if the tables were turned, feminists would be in an uproar screaming sexism this and patriarchy that. They would dish out their false statistics and lies to sway the public and politicians to change the policies on the spot.

    The reason why it is taking so long with anti-feminists is because we use the truth, something that is not too popular in politics. So basically I don’t care whether or not you or any one else has any pity for those suffering from this injustice, just so long as you don’t hope it continues and hopefully you help end it.

    But if not, then to each his own.

    Jared W.

  • Saga1916

    21 & 22
    Dabir Dalton

    again I repeat – evolution has ensured that Men have to respond to a desirous Woman. Those that do not, die out.

    It is the women, and the woman alone, who decides to keep a foetus so produced, and so should face up to her responsibilities and not expect a Man to support her unless he is willing to do so.

  • http://www.faqyeastinfections.com xpack

    My girlfriemd is pregnant too, have to show her this when she gets home tonight

  • Dabir Dalton

    jmnzz…

    For the most part you and I are in agreement and yes I do want the laws changed and the injustice of the double standards abolished. However I will not tolerate replacing one injustice with another injustice which is exactly what the feminists did and is at worst the goal of my detractors while at best will be the end result if those who make public policy give into these guys who demand to be treated like women…

    In this day and age any guy who doesn’t have the knowledge as to where babies come from is either woefully ignorant (probably fell asleep in has health/sex ed class in high school) and/or IMHO downright stupid if he doesn’t take the time to educate himself on such a basic issue. Either way it may be best if these guys were sterilized from the get go and not allowed to reproduce since they definitely aren’t capable of raising a child.

    Long before the internet and finding books on men’s rights issues at my local library I was well aware from personal experience and from watching 20/20 as well as reading the newspaper that men were treated unfairly in regards to marriage, divorce and child support and custody issues. So I will not give any guy who should know better and still engages in the behavior that places him at risk a free pass or bother wasting my time feeling sorry for him.

    What I’m also hearing is that there is a vocal subgroup within the MRN of males who want the right to sleep with any woman at any time and then have the right to walk away if she happens to get pregnant.

    Just like the feminists they are demanding rights without responsibilities.

    There is of course an ancient remedy for males who deliberately impregnate at will and then walk away from the consequences and I will be most happy to support any and all efforts to have it codified into law the of the land.






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