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Marriage, Fatherhood And Why I Have Avoided Both

2010-01-03
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There has been a systematic deconstruction of the importance of fathers and fatherhood during my lifetime. It was deliberate and has many broad, long lasting and downright scary implications. Along with this deconstruction comes a particular phenomenon that, when I am confronted with it, both alarms and bewilders me at the same time. This phenomenon is that of the single mother by choice.

I had an experience recently with one of these women who want to become mothers yet seem pathologically indifferent to the idea that there is another parent that may have actual human feelings about the matter. I was at a holiday season party with a friend and struck up a conversation with a younger woman I had met about six months prior during a party hosted at the same house. I was happy to see her because I knew she was pregnant but was a little puzzled because she did not appear to be pregnant now and I knew that she was early on the last time we spoke.

Hesitantly, I asked if she had given birth as anything could have happened and didn’t want to bring up something unpleasant. As it turned out I had committed what could quite possibly be the worst faux pas that anyone could make in casual conversation. She lost the baby at five months.

“Oh my God I am so sorry” I said “Please forgive me for bringing it up.” “Are you OK?”
“Oh please don’t be sorry it’s ok to ask and yes I am fine.” “But it was a harrowing experience.” She said.

Losing a baby at five months is an extremely dangerous situation to be in. Once the child is that big and you lose it (in this case it was a blood clot that was brought on by a bad case of the flu) it becomes septic very quickly and mortality rates when this occurs are high. “They told me that I might not make it and even if I did I may never get the chance to have a child again.” She said. I looked at her with genuine sympathy and relief and told her that I was glad that she was all right and she should try to get pregnant again. Of course I wished her luck too.

Trying to avoid any further embarrassment I looked to see if she had a wedding ring on and after seeing that she didn’t I asked, very cloddishly this time, “How did your boyfriend take the loss of the child? Is he ready to try again as well?”
She looked at me and without much more than a wince she said “No, I don’t have a boyfriend.”
Even more embarrassed at this point I said: “Oh I guess situations like that are hard on relationships.”
To which she responded: “No there never was a ‘boyfriend’ I just got pregnant and decided to have the baby.”
Now feeling like a complete imbecile: “Oh….. that’s great…..I really respect that. I am sure that the guy was torn up about it though.”

“He didn’t even know that I was pregnant.” She said, again without a wince.

Now, tossing modesty to the wind, I asked: “Was this someone you just lost contact with, you must not have known how to get in touch with him. That happens in life I suppose.”

“No, I knew how to get in touch with him” She answered incredibly. “I would have needed to do so after the baby was born of course for child support, but I just didn’t let him know. I didn’t need the drama. It’s all right though I will try again soon. I want to be a mother so bad!” She concluded with a gleeful smile.

Needless to say I was flabbergasted. Not knowing what to say before I distanced myself from her I simply exclaimed rather insincerely: “Well good luck with all that!” To which she said with still more clueless glee and without a hint of awkwardness: “Thank you so much I am very excited to try again.” After which I set a vector for the other side of the crowd and proceeded to move as fast as was socially acceptable.

For the next ten minutes I tried to comprehend what I had just been privy too. Here was a young woman of about twenty five, nubile, happy and not too dumb, who wanted to have a baby. Ok, normal enough but she didn’t seem to have any interest in developing a relationship with a man who might be an active father in the child’s life. Ok again, lots of women feel that way, it’s none of my business right? But why not just go to a sperm bank? But of course! You can’t collect child support from a sperm donor! At least not yet.

I thought of this poor guy who didn’t even know he had started a pregnancy with someone. He was left in the dark while this woman proceeded to make plans for the rest of her life, the life of his child and his own life without his input. I would like to think that he would have wanted to know how his unborn child was doing and also prepare for the massive change that was about to overcome his future, and perhaps find joy in the fact that he was about to become a father. Then again, he was spared the agony of losing an unborn; something he certainly had a right to know as well I would think. Obviously she did not.

She literally and unabashedly thought of his contribution to the whole affair was first as a sperm donor, and then after the baby was born, an ATM machine for the next eighteen-plus years. I could not believe that what we had just conversed about was spoken openly, in mixed company and with no shame whatsoever. I remember somewhat of a creepy crawly feeling coming over me and I went to the dry bar and made myself a very strong Gimlet. After the second one the feeling finally went away.

The strange thing is that this girl isn’t necessarily a bad person. And, funny enough, you could arguably say she isn’t totally irresponsible either. How is that you might ask? Well, the law makes it possible for her to do this and still be assured that there will be support for her and her child. This effectively negates the need for a father. Along with that negation are any “sperm donor’s” right to be an active part in his child’s life and the fleecing of a goodly part of his income for the next eighteen years which is going to a person who has absolutely no accountability to him or need respect his wishes in any way, or his choice in even becoming a parent to begin with.

Is it any wonder why so many men are shying away from fatherhood these days? Is it any wonder that men are shying away from marriage as I have in order to avoid a situation where there is a 50% likelihood five years after the wedding date that you may end up as just another sperm donor turned ATM machine?

The fact is that there are women like this everywhere and their numbers are growing. It isn’t that they are evil and intentionally want to mar society with single parent homes and all of the high social costs associated with them. It is simply because society enables them to do so. They simply don’t care. And why should they? To them, men have become objects when it comes to reproduction and nothing else. And, there are some who say that we are all better off that way. Are we?

One thing is for certain: it is not better for men. And for all the heated arguments pertaining to the effect that it has on children another thing is for certain: the norm is quickly becoming one in which a child can no longer expect to have a significant male presence in their life at all while they are growing up. Think about it. Very soon the average child will have no male parental figure in their life and no significant adult male figure in their life until they get their first job. By no means was my father perfect, but I can’t imagine how my family life, or my subsequent employment life would have turned out had he not been there while I was growing up.

I have a difficult time with the complaints feminists have of “the constraints of traditional gender roles” placed upon men and women by the so called “Patriarchy.” As the story goes the “Patriarchy” decided that they had to keep women down because if they didn’t then women, being far superior to men, would eventually eclipse them in influence and power. So in order to do this they, the Patriarchy, created roles for each gender.

The male role was one of privilege, being the one who left home and made his way in the world and the female role was one of subjugation, that of underappreciated and often abused home maker and mother. She was not allowed to leave the home and get an education in order to gain awareness so she herself might make her own money; money being the ultimate symbol of power and domination. The Patriarchy, and men in general, are scared to death of this thought and that is why they continue to keep women down in the workplace and also why men in general are “intimidated” by successful women today.

But, as the story goes on, the Patriarchy, being made up of the bumbling idiots that all men are, shot themselves in the foot. They had stupidly created for themselves a paradigm in which men have limited gender roles as well. Men were now required to be the providers and protectors and as such they began to suffer too at the hands of the almighty and oppressive Patriarchy. So the only answer was to destroy the social system that made the “traditional family” possible.

This deconstruction of the family was of course not aimed at deconstructing the importance of motherhood. Mothers, being women, are far superior and supporting them at the collective expense of society is crucial for the future of humanity. Fathers on the other hand are men after all and don’t carry the baby for nine months. Furthermore, as the narrative continues, they are just men, and as such, do little more than sport a warbling sack filled with genetic goo between their legs that during copulation is inserted into the woman in an offensive manner by the use of something called a penis which is affixed to the top of this sack, the only useful part of a man’s body.

There was still one problem with this deconstruction of the Patriarchy though, the fact that women need someone to provide for them while they are gestating, breastfeeding, and weaning their children into adulthood. What was there to do about this huge problem?

Well, men need sex right? In fact they will do anything for it and they are so stupid that they are easily manipulated by those who control it. So we will just make them pay for it in the form of a “fine” called Mandatory Child Support. Since men can’t control themselves it will be easy to sucker them into an arrangement like this and if they will not or even cannot pay we will have their drivers license revoked, get their passport privileges taken away, revoke their business license, and if all else fails, throw them in jail. And just to make sure that other men who won’t or can’t pay their “fine” get the picture we will post the offender’s names and faces on a pizza boxes so they can never be too comfortable while watching their beloved Football and guzzling beer.

That is a fair trade as far as men are concerned right? Easy sex and a child that they get to play with one day out of fourteen for about four hours or so, only if the mother wishes of course, in exchange for eighteen years of monthly installments the amount of which he does not get to decide on or even negotiate. There we go! Problem solved.

The above narrative may seem funny and surreal, like some kind of Orwellian satire, but make no mistake; it is this world view that has driven the development of family and divorce law for the past forty years. U.S. Court and Legislative decisions have been rigorously pushed through regarding child custody, child support, and domestic violence that make the civil and private environment for husbands and fathers hostile. Mothers are almost guaranteed custody of their children in the event of a divorce. The father need not be a presence in the child’s life in order to be placed under child support obligations, and thanks to the Violence Against Women Act a man can be forced out of his home for even so much as perceived slight, giving any woman, battered or not, a means to eject the father from his home and his children’s lives.

People will try to soften it up a bit by making conciliatory remarks from time to time like paying lip service to enforcing visitation rights and occasionally granting primary custody to a father only after the mother turns out to be so worthless there is absolutely no other alternative. Regardless, these are essentially the limitations facing men when it comes to reproduction. If married, a woman can file for divorce at any time and the father will still be expected to maintain her and the children at roughly the same capacity as he did while he was married. What if he loses his job, wants to change careers or for any of a plethora of reasons or simply becomes less than able to pay? No matter, he is still required to pay child support or he may face jail time.

When a man is in a stable marriage and falls upon hard economic times he can work it out with his wife and family. In the event of a job or career loss he can approach them and say “I am sorry kids I will not be able to get you new clothes for another month or two.” Or in the case that he may want to change his career thus allowing him to spend more quality time with his family he can approach them and say: “hey everybody, I have decided to pursue my dream of becoming a high school teacher so that means you kids won’t be getting brand new cars on your sixteenth birthday. But I will also get to spend lots of time with you in the summer.”

No one would deny that every human being has a right to deal with a crisis or make choices as they see fit for themselves and their families. Yet somehow, when men become non-custodial fathers they cease to become human beings.

The non-custodial father is essentially a wage slave. He does not have the luxury of being able to fall upon hardships and rebound in a new form with the same ease as a man who is not a father. He does not have the right to choose his path of employment with the freedom that others do. The amount of child support a non-custodial father must pay is calculated according to his Imputed Income. In other words, it doesn’t matter what kind of job you have, what kind of job you want or whether or not you even have a job, you must pay the amount that they say you are worth.

If you have a degree in electrical engineering yet make your living by doing something you love like playing Jazz Guitar, tough luck buddy, you got to go back to designing high pass filter circuits for Spacely Solid State Inc. even if you do hate the pencil necks that work there and were contemplating suicide before you finally quit after you paid off your student loans.

Despite what many would tell you, divorced and never married mothers have far more social and economic support available to them than the average man of any marital or parental status. If divorced they can go on and start another family with ease, not having to worry about the loss of child support. However when a divorced man starts another family he does so with an existing burden, limiting him severely in many cases. I am heartbroken when I hear stories of spiteful ex wives who, upon hearing that their ex husbands are planning to have another child with the new wife, petition the court for more child support and get it due to financial incentives courts have to raise child support payments.

Education is another glaring example of disparity when it comes to these two groups of people. A single mother can walk into the financial aid office of any university or college and there is someone there specifically to help her. Available for the single mother are copious amounts of grant money which a specialist (and yes, there are specialists who make their living doing just this for single mothers) can mine for her according to her specific circumstance. She will have access to a daycare facility and perhaps some transportation. Her scholastic performance and over all well being will be closely tracked by the institution as many federal and state moneys provided to the school are contingent on the amount of single mothers getting an education in the system.

I used to work in Higher Education and I can tell you for sure that demographics drive the money supply for Public-Post-Secondary education administration and all of the inflated salaries that go along with it.  And the one golden demographic that attracts the most money are single mothers with dependent children. I could almost hear all of those enrolment specialists hop to their feet as I read the headline: “Obama Says Single Mothers Should Go Back to School.” Is there any educational assistance for single custodial fathers or non-custodial fathers with dependent children? No. Do they need the assistance? Yes. Do they deserve it? Well, according to the people dolling out the money, apparently not.

Then there is the appalling way that we treat single custodial fathers who need social services. One of the worst stories that I ever heard was that of a  a single father who had lost his job, and being poor to begin with, lost the roof over his head and went with his daughter to a homeless shelter to seek help. Like any responsible father he decided to inquire about the possibility of getting some assistance for his daughter in the form of funds for a school uniform. He was determined not to let the current yet temporary state of affairs interrupt the education that his child was getting at a good school where the uniforms were required.

What happened to him and his daughter? They were separated, she was subsequently placed in a foster home and he has not seen her since. The rational quoted by the case workers at the shelter was “we can’t let a child remain in the care of a man in that condition.”

Contrast this with the treatment that single mothers get at homeless shelters. Case workers will bend over backwards to ensure that drug addicted women do not get separated from their children in the process of assisting them through a tough time in the name of preserving the ”sacred bond between mother and child.”  I wonder what they feed the men who make up 80% of the population at homeless shelters; the scraps from the women’s table perhaps? I am afraid to find out. One thing is for sure, if you are a single custodial father you are in many instances considered no more of a human being than a non-custodial father.

In the fantastic Patriarchy described above “rigid gender roles” are enforced by societal attitudes and taboos. Yet in today’s society the male gender role of provider is enforced at gunpoint. This wouldn’t be so bad if as a man you had the same decision power in becoming a parent as women do, which you do not. The argument for abortion in Roe v. Wade clearly articulates that the state should not have a right to impose parenthood on a woman because it is an intimate invasion of the state into her life. I hear feminists cry all the time: “KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF OF MY BODY!” Yet as I write this there are roughly 100,000 “bodies” in jail for not being the parent that the state thinks they should be. The only difference is that they are male.

Think of the characteristics of fathers in jail for not paying child support: below average intelligence, below average wage earners, below average educational attainment, the list goes on. No one believing in the “right to choose” would deny that if a woman isn’t ready to bear the responsibility of being a parent she should have the right to choose whether or not to be one. Yet here these poor guys are in jail rotting away not doing anybody, including their children, any good. Where was their choice when they needed it?

Furthermore, a single mother can abandon her newborn baby by dropping it off at the nearest emergency room or fire station and no one will say anything. She can give the baby up for adoption and no one will criticize her for being a bad mother.  When was the last time you heard of a teenage girl who threw her newborn into a dumpster being portrayed in the media as being anything other than a “victim of circumstance” or having to pay any consequences?

And what of the over 50,000,000 abortions performed since Roe v. Wade? How many men were involved in those “choices?” That’s a whole lot of people to look at and say: “no, your feelings don’t matter, you are going to accept this decision made for you by someone else whether you like it or not.” That is one hell of an imposition isn’t it? But men don’t have the same feelings towards unborn children that women do so it doesn’t matter……right?

What’s more, if you are man like me who has decided to avoid marriage you are derided and called “irresponsible” or as suffering from “Peter Pan Syndrome.” All labels used to shame and cajole you into a gender role regardless of your analysis of that role and the risks, both financial and emotional, imposed upon you by the law should you assume it. Women and mothers are given choices that have a direct and profound bearing on the lives of the men they are married to and/or have children with, ultimately leaving these men with a marked diminishment of control over the lives of them and their children. Is it all that irresponsible and selfish to want to avoid such a contract? I think not.

Ahh well, here I am at the age of 38 never married and damn glad never to have done so. The risk of a horrific outcome is avoided. Some reading this may ask “is this guy serious, does he really think he can be happy without a wife and children?” Wife and children? Are you kidding? There is no such thing as a wife any more. A so called “wife” is really nothing other than a serious liability for your emotional and financial well being.

It is just too risky to get married with an overall divorce rate of 50%, with women initiating between 70% and 90% of them depending on whether or not you live in a state that has no fault divorce laws, in which case it is the later statistic of 90%. Children? Would you really have a kid if you knew there was this kind of likelihood they would be ripped out of your life and used as a proboscis to suck your wallet dry? I don’t think so, but incredibly men get married all the time.

I like my lifestyle as a single man. I like not having a car and riding my bicycle to work and play even though I risk injury. I like going to the bar and reveling it up with all of my other single guy friends. It used to be that being the aging single guy at the bar carried somewhat of a stigma. Not for me. I like doing what I decide for a living and not having someone else tell me what I should do or how much money I should make. A twenty thousand dollar wedding and the likelihood of a divorce that will cost me many times more for the rest of my lifetime with an estranged kid? No.

I think I am going to buy a second bicycle.  Perhaps I will buy a used Reighley frame with a single speed drive train that I can put some kick ass wheels on.  As I ride my bike I will be wearing my favorite biking attire: full length weather proof tights under a pair of cut off pants, not unlike that of Peter Pan. Until someone gives me a better option, that is exactly what I can be expected to do.

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  • DonnieH

    I encourage all to click on the link Sophia provides, as I found it hilarious. #7 was my favorite: “In fact, getting a wife may increase an American male’s salary by about as much as a college education.”

    Yes, fellows, merely “getting a wife” bestows fantastic economic benefits on us! We don’t have to work harder, longer hours or anything. Lucky husbands- they get to work to support 1) the wife, 2) the children (if any) and a distant 3) themselves. I think what the analysis misses is that single men don’t need to earn much to enjoy a happy, healthy, well-balanced life, so they often choose to work less and have more fun. Such men are often disparagingly referred to as “slackers”, since their choices do not support the dominant societal paradigm that men SHALL produce more than they consume.

  • Vic Maltby

    @Sophia

    So where are the studies? I want to critique them. All I saw was an article in a magazine from 9 years ago that improperly referenced a book that she seemed to be plugging as a co-author. Is it possible to provide either links or full citations for these research papers, I would appreciate that.

    Thanks in advance.

  • Vic Maltby

    @Sophia
    I happen to be divorced and have raised 2 daughters in a joint custody arrangement, i.e. 50/50. That happened because my ex felt that I was a very good father and had we gone through the courts I would have had the customary two days every other weekend.

    I also had a partner after that and I began to realize that she was emotionally abusive not only to me but especially to my older daughter so I broke it off.
    Your tone is very matronizing, my term for women who talk to men as if they are children in need of moral or parental guidance.

    I have reached my decision not to have another intimate relationship with a woman because the bad outweighs the good and not something so trivial as you suggest.

    @Andrew Your point re correlation/causation rings true.

  • Andrew

    @ Sophia
    The “City Journal” article shows “correlation” but does not show “causation”. Additionally, that article does not answer any of the questions that I raised.

  • Sophia

    @ Michael T & Andrew:
    You are speculating about why the studies are they way they are without reading them, so why not check out some real reasons as to why marriages aren’t the sme as nonmarried unions? This page has a good summary of reasons, there are a hundred more, but it’s a good starting point:
    http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_4_why_marriage_is.html

  • Andrew

    Sophia says: “Married men have a bunch of health & emotional benefits from having a wife”

    My response: It looks like you have mistaken “correlation” for “causation”. Does marriage to a woman make a man more healthy and more emotionally stable -or- are most women attracted to men who are (or appear to be) healthy and emotionally stable?

    Sophia says: ” but married relationships have been shown (by all those pesky studies I mentioned before) to have the greatest benefit on a man’s career

    My response: Again, ” correlation” versus “causation”. Does marriage to a woman make a man more professionally successful -or- are most women attracted to men who are (or appear to be) professionally successful? A man may marry a woman who is financially broke and has no education and no job (as long as she is pretty and has a nice personality) , but how many women would marry a man who is financially broke and has no education and no job (even if he is handsome and has a nice personality) ? Have you ever seen a woman flirt with a man who is a homeless bum?

  • MichaelT

    @ Sophia

    “You don’t have to be married, but married relationships have been shown (by all those pesky studies I mentioned before) to have the greatest benefit on a man’s career, health, emotions, etc. Nonmarried unions don’t show the same increase in life quality. It’s the general acceptance of the marriage institution by society that contributes to these benefits as well, I’m sure.”

    I have a bit of a problem with studies that defy logic. What exactly does being married add to a relationship? Why should married relationships be better in general than non-married ones? People enter and remain in close relationships out of love for each other. They share each others values, attitudes and behaviours. What else is needed and what does being married contribute to love? Perhaps those who are married feel more secure but secure of what? Why were they insecure before they got married in the first place? Remaining together out of a childish need for security is not a good basis for a relationship.

    I suspect that the ‘benefits’ of being married are not adult benefits but those born of childish insecurities and people claim this as happiness when they participate in studies. Why does anyone need the acceptance of society? If you need society or anyone to sanction your relationship then it must not be a very strong relationship based on love.

    There are no good reasons for getting married but there may be good reasons for entering and remaining in a close relationship. There are many good relationships where people are not married and there are many terrible marriages. There are no objective reasons why marriage is better. You would think from all those studies they would have come up with some by now. If the evidence is so overwhelming why is it not easy to say why it is so overwhelming?

  • Sophia

    @rohara,

    “Rohara: men get raped by the laws that govern divorce in this…because there is in our society a total disregard for the human rights of men as opposed to women.“

    That’s quite a blanket statement (“there is in our society a total disregard for the human rights of men as opposed to women”), and as we’re only talking about men in terms of divorce & child support, it would be good to stay on topic and not create ad hoc arguments out of nothing.

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    “Me: Married men have a bunch of health & emotional benefits from having a wife — tons of studies have shown there are positive effects on both men and women…

    Rohara: There was a study, the results of which were published in Men’s Health, done recently that shows clearly that the marriage-lifespan gap for men is closing rapidly.”

    You have one study that say the gap is closing (which in any case, indicates there is still a disparity between the two) and I have literally over a hundred studies that say it’s not & that it remains very beneficial in lifespan, emotional and physical health. I doubt either of us are really going to change our minds by posting a bunch of articles, so I’ll refrain from that. You can google it yourself anyway.

    “Rohara: I could not agree more with you on your attitude about relationships, they are essential. However, you do not have to be married to have deep meaningful and mutually helpful relationships in your life. There is always family, friends, and non married partners. Marriage is certainly no guarantee that you will be taken care of when things go bad.”

    You don’t have to be married, but married relationships have been shown (by all those pesky studies I mentioned before) to have the greatest benefit on a man’s career, health, emotions, etc. Nonmarried unions don’t show the same increase in life quality. It’s the general acceptance of the marriage institution by society that contributes to these benefits as well, I’m sure. And I’m pretty sure it’s pretty hard to find a non-married partner that will stay with you long term without pestering you to get married after a year or so, at the maximum. Marriage is definitely not a guarantee that you will be taken care of, but that’s mostly for women – men are six times more likely to leave a sick wife than a wife is to leave a sick husband (look at John McCain for a famous example).

    “Me: Also, just because it doesn’t work out half the time, doesn’t mean you should just give up on the institution entirely unless you have other reasons.”
    Rohara: Please, if you have a gambling habit stop and get treatment for it right now!”

    Cute. Except I don’t gamble & I definitely don’t play my life by the odds. If I did, I wouldn’t have even bothered to work hard to get into an ivy league school, because, hey, less than 5% of the population gets in, why bother? Maybe a lot of people are satisfied with being the average, or comfortable with living by the odds to explain their mediocrity. I’m not, I like to work hard to reach where I want to be. Like I said in my last post, people throw in the towel very easily on marriage – you have to work at it if you want it to work.

    @ Vic Maltby & everyone else here: if you don’t want kids and don’t want to work at marriage or a long-term relationship, I honestly don’t care very much. I’m not going to provide a laundry list of why you should have a relationship & kids because what you choose to do with your life is your own choice. Maybe you had a girlfriend who stole your car, shot your dog, killed your frog, whatever, and will never have another relationship again, so there! Whatever. I’m not about trying to convince anyone here that’s not into it to get married, I’m trying to explain why men do get married in general & why it’s not necessarily a terrible thing for the men who choose to. In any case, over 75% of men in their early twenties are still positive they want to be married in the future, so even my so-called debauched generation still wants to beat the odds, apparently.

  • Roy Ross

    Rohara’s article was very accurate IMHO. I couldn’t have done a better job of summing up my feelings on why I won’t get married. The posts that followed… excellent.

  • steven deluca

    I must make two or three comments. One is about how married men live longer. I won’t joke that it just seems longer, I love my wife and my marriage. The truth is there are two groups of men who don’t marry. Those who don’t want to and those who can’t. Of those who can’t some are the unemployed, ill, over weight, and they die younger. Men who are healthy and making money find partners find women hunting them down. They would live longer married or single but with a little seduction they end up married and adding to the myth that marriage contributed to their longer lives.

    The second comment isn’t funny… it’s about how twent years ago when I was the primary caretaker of a preschool age daughter and son, when I was undiagnosed and untreated for PTSD from military duty. I went to WIC Women Infants and Children. I was borderline homeless. I needed food and help for my children. I was treated like a disease. Why do you have more time with your kids and no real income to speak of? They asked me in a tone that implied I was a rapist “Well, their mom was working full-time and in school full-time working on her masters – or working full-time after she got her masters and we divorced and I was a veteran with PTSD from military service drafted because, unlike my twin sister, I didn’t have a vagina… no, I didn’t say that. I didn’t know I had PTSD but I did know that like some of the women going to WIC for help I had emotional problems and I needed to feed my daughter and son… and I was treated like shit and I left.

    After years of therapy I am much better but I still think of how it was and of why so many American men commit suicide. This article is one of the best I have read in decades. How impressed I am I can’t begin to say.

    But as long as I have the author on the phone, what bike would you recommend for high speed road travel – not racing, that can still, in a pinch, work on a dirt logging road when traveling cross country? smile

    Also, can I get a copy of what you wrote here mailed to me. I have trouble, some brain damage from the army, getting things to print out from MND. My address is PO BOX 1234 Mendocino CA 95460

  • Vic Maltby

    @ Sophia

    Why is a long-term relationship worth having? It is my experience that you put lots of energy into it and get very few positives in return. Definitely NOT worth the effort.

  • rohara

    @ Sophia
    Thank you for commenting on my article, however, I would like to comment on some of your points:
    “Marriage can suck for men when they get raped in a divorce by their ex-wife. Just realize that it’s the hundreds of thousands of deadbeat dads who disappear (and can’t be found to put in jail) that have made the laws so strict over the years.”

    There are two things in this statement that are false. First, men do not get raped by their ex wives they get raped by the laws that govern divorce in this country and many others around the world. Until those laws change this will continue to happen. Secondly the reason that the laws are so draconian is simply because there is in our society a total disregard for the human rights of men as opposed to women. Read: “The Loss of a Right to Trial by Jury: Child Support and Divorce Cases in America” still on this website. It is an excellent explanation of the evolution of child support laws in this country and demonstrates the brazen disregard for fundamental human rights in the system.

    “Married men live much longer than bachelors, there are a bunch of health & emotional benefits from having a wife — tons of studies have shown there are positive effects on both men and women. Just get deathly ill, and you’ll notice that you care a lot more about the relationships and people in your life than your possessions & stuff.”

    There was a study, the results of which were published in Men’s Health, done recently that shows clearly that the marriage-lifespan gap for men is closing rapidly. Among the reasons cited are that men are taking better care of themselves than they used to. Also, there is a demographic labeled as “never married men” that was pointed out by another researcher. In this demographic the lifespan is essentially the same as a married man. The people who have the shortest life expectancy are men who get married and then get divorced and never marry again. Gee I wonder why that is.
    I could not agree more with you on your attitude about relationships, they are essential. However, you do not have to be married to have deep meaningful and mutually helpful relationships in your life. There is always family, friends, and non married partners. Marriage is certainly no guarantee that you will be taken care of when things go bad.

    “Also, just because it doesn’t work out half the time, doesn’t mean you should just give up on the institution entirely unless you have other reasons.”

    Please, if you have a gambling habit stop and get treatment for it right now! A 50% failure rate with the kind of consequences present in case of failure are more than ample reason for a reasonable person do avoid such a risk. It is like playing Russian Roulette with a six shot revolver that has three rounds in it. I will leave the gun on the table thank you.

  • Sophia

    I consider myself a feminist and agree with a lot of the article. Marriage can suck for men when they get raped in a divorce by their ex-wife. Just realize that it’s the hundreds of thousands of deadbeat dads who disappear (and can’t be found to put in jail) that have made the laws so strict over the years.

    But I have to say: the only reason people are writing so vehemently against getting married and getting so upset about the topic is that it’s hard to deny there’s an inherent need for men & women to bond to someone else, to have that support on a daily basis. Married men live much longer than bachelors, there are a bunch of health & emotional benefits from having a wife — tons of studies have shown there are positive effects on both men and women. Just get deathly ill, and you’ll notice that you care a lot more about the relationships and people in your life than your possessions & stuff. For a lot of people, the connection is worth the risk. Maybe for you, you don’t want kids, and that’s fine. People who do want kids have to realize that a stable marriage with two parents who love each other is best for the child. Having a babymama or being divorced harms another being you are responsible for.

    Also, just because it doesn’t work out half the time, doesn’t mean you should just give up on the institution entirely unless you have other reasons. My parents have been married for 25 years. It hasn’t been 25 blissful years — they have fought and almost split up once. I think there’s a general lack of willingness to work at a marriage. It’s hard work, just like everything else in life worth having. My advice to both women and men is to take the commitment seriously, and don’t run at the first sign of trouble.

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  • Denis

    Yet another reason as to why marriage is a mistake. This is from France. The U.S. has already expanded the definition of DV to include “verbal assault”. This totalitarian world is getting downright scary.

    France to introduce new law banning ‘psychological violence’ in marriages

    By Peter Allen
    Last updated at 3:40 PM on 05th January 2010

    France will become the first country in the world to ban ‘psychological violence’ within marriage later this year.

    The new law, which would also apply to co-habiting couples, would see people getting criminal records for insulting their loved ones during domestic arguments.

    Electronic tagging would be used on repeat offenders, according to the country’s prime minister, Francois Fillon, who announced the law.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1240770/France-introduce-new-law-banning-psychological-violence-marriages.html#

  • MichaelT

    This article paints a fairly accurate picture of the state of affairs as they now exist. It looks bleak and it appears that the only solution is for a man to not become involved with a woman to the point where he may end up being treated unjustly by the law as it now stands. This virtually means not having sex with women at all since there is a great possibility that the man will end up in a very disadvantaged position compared to the woman. It appears that legislative or judicial change is not going to happen unless women also demand it. Right now they do not need to demand it because they already have what they want. Women want babies and they need men to cooperate for that to happen. Men do cooperate even when they stand to be very unjustly mistreated as a result.

    It is one thing for men to refuse to enter into sexual relationships because they cannot get what they want which is a just outcome from the judicial system but it is another thing for men to refuse to enter those relationships in the short term in order to get what they want in the long term. Men have power in this situation because the power is in their sperm. They have something that women want badly but men too often give away this power far too cheaply. Why exactly do men do this?

    I think men give up their power too readily because of attitudes that are developed under peer pressure from other men. The author asks the rhetorical question –“Men need sex right?” Well the answer is no. Men do not need sex. Men might like to have sex but they do not need it. Justice is more important to men than sex and if it is not then there is something wrong in a man’s attitude to sex. Many men think that if they do not have sex then they are not real men and this is ingrained in our socialisation as boys and young men. It is this attitude that really needs to be addressed and is the main cause of men giving away the power they have far too easily and without thought for the consequences.

    The sex urge is a very powerful one and needs to be satisfied. The problem is that once you become dependent on someone else to meet that satisfaction you give them a power over you which can easily be abused and taken advantage of. Every human being has the capacity to satisfy their own sexual needs and does not need to be dependent on another human being for this. Self satisfaction can be just as pleasurable and often more so than satisfaction with a partner. The problem for most men is that they see it as some kind of failure to resort to self-satisfaction. It is not a better or worse kind of satisfaction it is just a different kind. Men lose nothing by not having sex with a partner. Women who desperately want babies have a lot more to lose than men.

    Men must use the power they have to change the way things are. When women realise that they cannot have what they want without there being justice then they will either have to join the calls for just family and paternal laws or they will have to remain motherless. The choice will be theirs.

    Women, for the most part, will not change until they have to and right now they have all the power because men refuse to use theirs. It is pointless to try and change their attitudes by logic and reasoning. There needs to be action or in this case a refusal to act.

  • DonnieH

    allen tucker asks: “A… deh…..you thingk itd help….here….if I getta new name or somethin…….”

    No, I don’t think it would help. Neither your spelling, grammar nor the point(s) you are attempting to make are likely to improve merely by using a different name to post under. If you are having trouble getting your comments to post, I suggest you review the guidelines or contact the moderator. To improve the other issues, you might want to try composing your comments in a word processing program, and then copying the text to the reply box. Avoiding excessive alcohol consumption before posting can help, too. :-)

  • DonnieH

    Re: dodging a bullet-

    Elton John sang about this topic in “Someone Saved My Life Tonight”. Check out the lyrics.

    Athol Kay asks: “What are the rewards of a good marriage?”

    Do you have a “good marriage” in mind as an example, or is your question directed at a hypothetical “good marriage”. As others have pointed out, the fact that 50% of marriages don’t end in divorce does not mean that they are good marriages or that they aren’t (or haven’t) failed.

  • Tim

    I remember when I was 30 I overheard a couple of guys at a bar discussing women. They would have been about ten years older than me at the time. One of the guy’s said that he had ‘dodged a bullet.’ I thought to myself I hope I don’t turn out like him. Well, I’m 40 now and quite frankly, I dodged a bullet myself. I was engaged when I was 36 because as a heterosexual man I felt it was something I ought to at least try once. We had a great love for about two years, and then it was purely about money. What had initially been wonderful and loving turned into slavery. In fact, she often used to point to higher status males and ask me why I couldn’t be more like them. So I walked away. I am a single man and I can honestly say it has tremendous benefits. I pay no child support. I do what I want to do, whenever I feel like it. I changed careers recently and now only work three days per week. Next year if I feel like making more money I’ll simply work more hours. Life is good.

  • rohara

    Thanks all for the positive comments.
    Yes the article is a little sad but the author is not!

    This article is more or less a response to a bigoted article on the subject of men not getting married by a woman named Kay S. Hymowitz. The article named “Child Man in the Promised Land” is a polemic on single men over the age of 30. When I read the article I was so offended and wondered what kind of a world this woman lived in. Does she not understand what men go through in a divorce? Does she not realize that the demands on married men nowadays are mind numbingly unrealistic? Apparently she echoes the sentiments of many women, most over 35 who haven’t been able to “find Mr. Right” because so many men are unwilling to commit. I feel very little sympathy for any woman who bemoans the devaluation of marriage by men and at the same time blames men entirely for it.
    Take time to read the article it is very telling of the attitude of the average woman nowadays concerning men who don’t get married.

  • allen tucker

    Tax return time…donation time…?…and memories of …

  • Denis

    A marriage strike absolutely works.

    If you go running into a burning building you should expect to get burned-or killed.

    So don’t run into the burning building.

    It’s exactly the same with marriage in the U.S..

  • pj1

    Wow! Great article!

    A marriage strike does not work, it is like running from a battle, it removes aware men from the next generation.

    Feminist influence needs to get deconstructed! This is the challenge of MRA’s.

  • Vic Maltby

    Bravo! Beautifully articulated.

    Try getting counselling for sexual abuse as a male…you must pay for counselling, travel long distances [if indeed there are any services available] and then accept the presence of a female co-counsellor. [I was the victim of incest at the hands of my sister.] Meanwhile social services are proud to advertise that female victims of sexual abuse get free counselling, free child care and free transportation to and from sessions. Feminism has nothing to do with equality but everything to do with privilege.

  • Phillip

    I salute you on your decision rohara. It seems this is becoming typical of young men today. I would have liked to have seen paternity fraud and cuckolding mentioned but I suppose that would make the article a bit too lengthy and really have nothing to do with marriage and children as a choice for men.
    The saddest part is that the type of treatment outlined is exactly correct yet many men today have been brainwashed into accepting it as “normal”. On the one hand women are treated as superior beings, capable of making unilateral decisions that have far-reaching and very dramatic effects others while on the other hand they are allowed, even encouraged, to escape responsibility for their choices. Many today see this as “equality” in spite of the fact that men have no options, much less equal ones.

  • Michaelangelo

    Well, it’s only about 50% of marriages the don’t end up in divorce. That’s not to say that 50% of marriages are successful or end in happiness.

    Some points that should be made aware:

    - There are other ways that marriages terminate, death of at least one spouse (this is sometimes murder by the other spouse).
    - Divorcees are encouraged to settle out of court and not attend court. You can make an amenable agreement to both parties without going through the court system and sign a contract out of court. This helps keep families together and prevent the husband from an unfortunate path.

    I love the traditional family of a nurturer and a provider (regardless of their respective sex) as it worked really well in my case. I think I would be in a worse spot without the support of both of my parents. I truly grieve that the institution of marriage is one to be feared in such a manner.

  • enitiate

    The rewards of a good marriage must be less than 50% since the 50% who remain married do not all have good marriages. Assuming that because one remains married that the marriage is good is a leap of faulty logic.

    It is not exactly a glass half full but rather a smaller amount. Maybe 1/4 full?

    There is such a thing as a good marriage but the odds are against it.

  • BOB

    What is the opportunity cost of never marrying?

    Sex once a month, ungrateful family, working overtime……..

  • Fred

    I’m 57 and never been married. I could see this problem coming since the 1970′s. If the Socialist is to rebuild our society to their liking, they need to turn us against each other. Black against white, men against women, gay’s against straight, citizens against immigrants. They succeeded much better than I could have imagine at that time. If we’re are fighting each other they can do their dirty tricks without notice. For example, if a woman can get everything she needs from the government what does she need you for? She leaves the dirty work for lawyers to bleed you to death. She feels nothing but contempt for men. Why shouldn’t she? We men just fall in line and take the abuse. If you rob Peter to pay Paula, do you think Paula is going to complain? Anyway, you can see the results on the streets of the cities. Fatherless young men and boys gather together in gangs on the streets killing each other and impregnating fatherless young girls to start the same cycle of destruction. These boys have no sense of responsibility or discipline. They can’t take care of themselves much less a wife and children. If I’m going to destroy the Constitution and try to take over who better to fight against than disorganized, demoralized, poorly educated, dependents like this. The State is doing this on purpose. Personally, I feel we men should come together much as the IRA in Ireland did. At least a political wing, to defend ourselves against this subtle, slow, pernicious invasion. Knowledgeable men of good need to come together to form a plan to reverse this degeneration of this country.

  • digital_dreamer

    Very frank and straightforward article, yet brutally honest and incredibly entertaining.

    I’m 45 and never married. Just the thought makes me cringe. If I see a pretty face, I just tell myself that behind that make-up is someone that could rip your heart out and leave you to die. Heartless thinking? Not when you observe the broken ‘family’ life of your peers and friends, backed up by the today’s shocking statistics.

    As for the glass half full comment: Would you venture into something when the the odds of surviving (emotionally and financially) are not in your favor? It’d be like skydiving with the ripcord working only half of the time.

    MAJ

  • Nathan

    yea, that pretty much sums it up. I keep seeing the divorce rates and child support rates going higher and higher. Im 20, and while part of me wants to have a family some day, the benefits are not worth the risk and having a marriage like my parents did (which is fairly healthy in my opinion, I would tweak it a bit but its not bad) seems less and less likely, so Im not even going to bather.

  • 3DShooter

    This article illustrates perfectly why the corrupt family court/child support systems need to be ABOLISHED!

    The states encourage this kind of mentality because it allows them to belly up to the Title IV-D trough and rake in some cash for themselves at the same time.

    When no-fault divorce, child support and alimony have been completely eliminated then the incentives for this disgusting feminist conduct will be severely undercut and real families might once again have a chance. Until then men should never marry and never pro-create – it is just too damn risky.

  • C. Rafino

    Rohara, I have 14 years on you and figured this out quite some time ago. A temporary departure from my better sense had me married 4 years to a typical American-female-princess, over-expectant, under-participating/contributing partner who wanted only a cushy lifestyle. She loved everything about being married to me except me. Lovely gold-digging harpy… Ok, fool me once. I applaud your resistance to a BTN (better than nothing) coupling experience. Better to pour your efforts into the Raleigh than the man-eating money-sucks that are most American byotches.

    Good fortune and a Facebook outreach to a woman in my past, a tall, educated, sensuous, witty, beautiful Italian (lives in Venice) woman- former ballerina- with her own battle scar from an unappreciative lothario husband left her amenable to her own openness to non-domestic (Italian) men. It seems American men have a greater value there than here. The result? We’re off-the-charts happy, and I’m moving to Venice this summer.

    Bella Donna has her own money, a steady career, a model figure (she’s 52) and an appreciation for what this American man found was of no interest to American women: a real man of substance and the desire to have a heartfelt, army-buddy connection of two equals, a best friend who gives you the ‘warmies.’

    My advice to younger men? Shop the imports. They last longer, don’t pull to the left, make less noise, perform better under adverse conditions and are overall a more pleasurable experience. In addition to being more entities of true substance and grace. Go foreign, young man.

    Imagine a generation of bitchy, overly demanding, gold-digging girls-gone-wild skanks congregating with aging ranks of their own kind over white wine spritzers, Blackberry arranged klatches. Their manless, Sapho existences with white carpeting and house cats will serve as a harbinger of what happens to women who don’t listen to mother nature and younger women would see them as an example of what they don’t hope to become. But that takes too long. Go foreign, young man.

  • Denis

    Well said-and all true.

    The sad fact is that many men in powerful and high places today will read this and believe that the reality that is expressed here is how it is SUPPOSED to be. They were and are part of the deconstruction and shaming of fathers and men generally over the last 4 decades. The only good thing is that these bastards are getting old and will be replaced by a younger generation who understands the incredible wreckage the feminists and these powerful men have done to subsequent generations of men and boys.

  • mike

    A brutal article….almost painful to read. Found myself nodding throughout.

    If there are any feminist or mangina trolls reading this, I’d like to hear their rebuttals. Tell me if there is any BS here and why.

    But I don’t want to hear from any lawyers. I already $$ know $$ how you feel.

  • http://www.marriedmansexlife.com Athol Kay

    This is well argued towards the safe option of not getting married and having children and justifying that choice. The one caveat I have is that 50% of marriages don’t appear to be failing. So perhaps this is a case of the glass is half full, vs half empty.

    What are the rewards of a good marriage? What is the opportunity cost of never marrying?







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