Evolutionary Psychology: Science the Culture of Doubt? Never Happen.

2010-01-25
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People seem to need an overarching explanation of things—of origins, meaning, purpose, and destiny. Christianity provided these things for a long time but, at the close of the Enlightenment, was losing its luster among the educated. Too much in Christianity just didn’t make sense in light of continuing discoveries. The sciences were more compelling, and a better fit for the changing mood of the times.

When the Origin of Species appeared in 1859, it offered a plausible and rational alternative to God Did It. Evidence in its favor existed. Selective breeding of animals greatly changed them. That this might have occurred by natural selection made sense.

But natural selection did not explain where life came from in the first place. The notion of abiogenesis—that life began by accident in remote primal seas—was tacked on to Darwin. Scientists passed sparks through flasks of chemicals hoped to represent the primal seas, and molecules of compounds usually found in living things were discovered afterward. This was exceedingly thin evidence, but it pointed in the desired direction, and was accepted.

Finally, in 1964, the 3K background radiation pervading the universe was discovered, and described as the result of a postulated Big Bang. We now had Genesis without God: the creation of the world, the creation of life, and its divergence into all creatures, including us. Instead of debating how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, we talked of the state of the world 10 ^ -44 seconds after the Big Bang.

To people thinking logically, as scientists not infrequently do, the three elements of this narrative were separable. The world could have come into being other than by the Big Bang, yet accidental abiogenesis might have occurred. Life might have arisen by means other than in the oceans by inadvertence, yet evolution by natural selection might still have occurred. In the minds of many, however, all three merged into a seamless creation story, and then acquired the emotional importance accruing to ideological dogma or religious faith.

In many respects it was a religion manqué. Faiths usually have standards of right and wrong, of morality, of Good and Evil, but evolutionism didn’t, and couldn’t, being in the philosophical sense purely material. The best it could do was to try to make moral behavior somehow conducive to the passing on of one’s genes. It could not begin to explain consciousness, and so ignored it. The central question of religious concern, what happens when we die, evolutionism could not even ask, as doing so would imply the existence of realms beyond the material.

Though strictly speaking evolution doesn’t imply progress toward anything, people want very much to believe that there is purpose or direction in life. Thus the ineradicable belief in the non-Christian popular mind that evolution is a straight-line advance from the primitive and inferior to the higher and better, with (who could have guessed it?) us at the pinnacle. Continuing motion toward perfection was sure to come.

Scientific inquiry is separated from ideological rigidity by a willingness to entertain questions and admit doubt. The giveaway of ideology is emotional hostility to skeptics. Evolutionists today have it in spades. Just as the church once reacted punitively to Galileo for abandoning the party line, so do ideological evolutionists to those who do not accept the dogma of evolutionary political correctness.

An example: In a column I once wrote regarding the alleged accidental formation of life, asked: “(1) Do we actually know, as distinct from hope, suspect, speculate, or pray, of what the primeval seas consisted? (2) Do we actually know what sort of sea or seas would be necessary to engender life in the time believed available? (3) Has the accidental creation of life been repeated in the laboratory? (4) Can it mathematically be shown possible without making highly questionable assumptions? And (5) If the answers to the foregoing are “no,” would it not be reasonable to regard the idea of chance abiogenesis as pure speculation?”

The response was violent. I found myself accused of “trying to tear down science,” of wanting “to undo the work of tens of thousands of scientists.” I wouldn’t have thought the tearing down of science within the destructive powers of this column, but perhaps I am playing with a loaded gun. I pictured smoking shards of laser physics, embryology, and organic chemistry lying in dismal mounds on a darkling plain.

The evolutionarily correct take apostasy seriously. Razib Khan, who largely runs the website Gene Expression (gnxp.com) flew into a rage and deleted all mention of me from his web site (to which I had never posted anything). I was, he said, arrogant and ignorant and just no damn good. What he actually said was, “Anyone engaging in a Fred Reed impersonation, that is, talking about shit they know nothing about shamelessly and without any humility in light of their ignorance, will now be deleted at my discretion.”

I pondered this flood of unleashed humility, typical of its kind, and thought, “Huh? I asked questions. A question is an admission of ignorance. How is that arrogant?” And if my questions were stupid, why were so many of his readers, who are not at all stupid, impersonating me?

His reaction was less that of a scientist to questions than of an archbishop to heresy. Why the savagery? He or any other of my circling assailants could simply have answered my questions. For example, “Actually, Fred, residual pools of the ancient seas have been discovered, and you can find a quantitative analysis at the following link.” Or “Craig Venter has in fact replicated the chance formation of life, but it didn’t make the papers. Here’s the link.” (I made those up.)

I would have responded civilly, “Holy Catfish, Batman! I didn’t know. Thanks.” And that would have been that. But no one, not one soul, actually answered them. Why, I wonder?

If the answers to all four questions were “no,” it wouldn’t establish that the asserted abiogenesis didn’t happen, but only that we didn’t know whether it had happened. So why the blisterish sensitivity?

Because (or so I suspect) “no” answers would be conceding that the middle link of the Big Bang-abiogenesis-natural selection chain was pure speculation. It would be like asking a Christian to say, “Well, we don’t really know that Jesus was the son of God, but he couldhave been.”

Richard Feynman said that “science is the culture of doubt,” Never happen.

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  • SingleDad

    I am helping my 12 year old son study for his finals. I am a professional scientist. I was shocked to find out that trying to disprove your hypothesis, in other words doubt, has been removed from teaching the scientific method. Now you just come up with a thesis and prove it and your done!

    So, you are correct. Science is entering a dark age where circular reasoning has replaced strict scientific inquirey.

    This will destroy science as non-proven theories are adopted and when they are eventually proven wrong scientists will be believed as much as priests are believed today.

  • http://tinyurl.com/cq9ocf Stormbringer

    Oh, most definitely! I have had numerous discussions with atheists and “bright” people about origins, the existence of God, etc., and I am almost always met with personal attacks and the kind of “you want to destroy science and go back to the dark ages” remarks that you have mentioned.

    What really gets them is when you point out that they have FAITH in the ever-changing whims of man-made science. Then watch the excrement strike the bladed, oscillating cooling device!

  • http://stormbringer005.blogspot.com Stormbringer

    Hope this does not duplicate, I tried once but the comment disappeared.

    I’m with you on this. Whenever I talk with atheists and “brights” about evolution, the existence of God, etc., I get back personal attacks. In fact, they feel compelled to psychoanalyze me and my motives for asking my questions or making statements. Yes, my desire to destroy science and thought, ushering in a new Dark Age, is also mentioned.

  • DonnieH

    “Science is entering a dark age where circular reasoning has replaced strict scientific inquirey.”

    The increasing number of women in what were previously scientific fields is probably just a coincidence. :-)

    BTW, I disagree that circular reasoning has replaced scientific inquirey. Feeeeeeeelings have replaced it. Emotions-based science is the future, at least until reality asserts itself, again, as it has an annoying habit of doing.

  • jugglingbuffoon

    I think you need to study a little more about the differences between science and religion.
    Read of philosophy of science and some philosophy of religion and see how your attempt to conflate the two is a really poor attack.

  • SingleDad

    I agree that the faculty of college campuses will be based upon how much you agree with the PC orthodoxy, especially feminism.

    When I say circular reasoning I mean that circular reasoning was the way we learned about the world before the scientific method was developed. Aristotle and the other greek philosophers would sit around agree on a premise and all theories about the universe would come from these.

    This worked great for math but not science.

    If the premise was wrong they never knew because they could not question a premise, this was the basis of their philisophical thought. This is what I mean by circular reasoning.

    During enlightenment doubt became the defining part of the scientific method and then, when experimentation failed to prove the reality of a theory the premise was thrown out.

    The Chruch did not like this and burned many scientists as heratics because they questioned the premises on which the church was founded. For instance the universe revolving around the earth.

    Don’t be fooled. Feminists understand all this. That is why they sponsor their own science based on feelings through questionaires. When others create similar questionaires the feminists say they are not valid as they are subjective. So they know the difference. They just want their cake and to eat it too.

    Larry Summers is the best example. That is why they let him keep working in “thier” administration. He is a monument to the effectiveness of feminist methods.

    If he disagrees with feminist thinking he is kicked out as head of Harvard. When he does a mea culpa, he is top financial advisor to their president, Obama.

    And every day, academics can see what their fate will be if they question the feminist thugs.

    Feminists are just thugs. They know the truth can be found using the scientific method including doubt. They control the schools and in another generation people will no longer know how to do science.

    It is part of their plan for a feminist dystopia. They will kill the professors first, like Larry Summers, just like Stalin did.

  • http://jayhammers.blogspot.com/ Jay Hammers

    SingleDad, what kind of “professional scientist” are you that you can’t spell “you’re” or “inquiry”? Really.

  • DonnieH

    Jay asks: “SingleDad, what kind of “professional scientist” are you that you can’t spell “you’re” or “inquiry”? Really.”

    One that can’t use a smell checker?

    Since when did spelling and grammer become the hallmarks of a scientist? If legible cursive handwriting is important, I’m toast.

  • chris

    So, Jayhammers jumps in to prove Fred’s point …..in real time.

  • SingleDad

    There is no spell checker on here, or am I missing something? Yes, most scientists can’t spell but our overlords can and that is what is being taught in science today, spelling. It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand the underlying principles of your field.

    As a matter of fact, I predict that things like spelling will be emphasised (sp?) in colleges science courses as women take over the sciences using title IX.

    Boys do not spell or use grammer as well as girls and never have. This will make boys hate science and leave the field. It is already happening in medicine.

    In my son’s 7th grade science class note taking counts for 40% of the grade. Not knowledge of the subject matter. Note taking. I have never taken notes and graduated top of my class from one of the top universities in the country.

    I discussed this with my collegues, all top level scientists, and they didn’t even go to class in college or grad school. We read the books and research papers and frequently knew more at the time of the test than the teachers. Any good teacher will tell you this is true.

    By the way, that is one of the problems with online activism. A bunch of english majors who know nothing will try to prove our postions wrong based on things like grammer and spelling, the only thing they know.

  • http://jayhammers.blogspot.com/ Jay Hammers

    It’s hard for me to respect what’s coming from someone if they can’t use proper language to express themselves. I’m a math, science, and engineering fellow and because of it I can memorize the spelling of pretty much every word I come across. Grammar comes easily as well. The top spellers are probably asperger’s boys. I don’t buy that women are on average better spellers either because that sounds like feminist BS. Let’s see some data.

    Anyone who’s going to make a mark in a largely online movement better be able to speak the lingo. I do understand that it’s not a requirement to be good at spelling and grammar, all it requires is paying a little attention in school. And with feminized education, that’s hard to do for boys. Math and science can be far more interesting.

    But being a master of math and science in your own head is not all that counts. To be able to make a mark in the scientific community you’d have to be able to communicate your ideas effectively and that includes in written form. If a math genius can’t communicate with the outside world effectively, he’s not doing us any good. It’s probably true that some math genius out there sucks the big one at English but I guarantee if he’s doing real work he’s fluent in the language of mathematics.

    From what I’ve seen on the internet, someone’s intelligence is generally tied pretty closely to how well they can articulate their ideas. Those who can’t articulate properly also tend not to be able to put related concepts together to form an appropriate conclusion. They are also the same people easily brainwashed and misled by propaganda and misinformation.

    So when I see someone who can’t spell properly I put my guard up and take everything that person says with a grain of salt. Then again, although I recognize good writing I’m not naturally a strong communicator. I have a hard time bringing my ideas into words even though they are quite clear in my mind. I think that’s a more common thing for men and perhaps an explanation as to why women might be called better writers. But spelling is different – it’s rote memorization. This article, however, suggests women would be better at remembering words: http://www.ehow.com/about_5244222_difference-between-boys-girls-memory.html

    At this point I’m trying to figure out why I’m biased against people who can’t spell or use proper grammar and I think it’s a combination of these things:
    1) Most stupid people on the internet can’t spell or use grammar, so I associate them.
    2) If you can’t spell or use proper grammar it’s an indication that you didn’t read enough as a child and probably are less capable of complex thoughts today.
    3) If you use the Internet or anything with spell check frequently and you STILL can’t spell properly, it tells me you’re not someone who learns from their mistakes and probably is dead set in your ways, obtuse even.

    This is just me trying to analyze my thought processes or making excuses for myself. I do see what you’re saying that the emphasis on spelling, grammar, and notes could take away from learning important concepts, but I think those are important in one’s formative years to provide a basis for future learning.

  • http://jayhammers.blogspot.com/ Jay Hammers

    By the way, I see red lines under misspelled words in this textbox. It may be due to my browser, Google Chrome, however.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    Fred,

    You obviously have an agenda. Yet, you accuse people who respond to you as if they couldn’t possibly be aware of it. Your article makes it quite clear that you are “trying to tear down science.”

  • Oz Cynic

    Wow, this has generated more responses than a whole lot of other stuff that (it seems to me) are far far FAR more important to Men’s Rights Activists than what Fred Reed just wrote about Evolution. Fred Reed has excoriated the Feminists or more occasions than I’ve seen many others do so, and done so in a more public way, too. Yet the only large response Fred Reed gets here is when he starts to talk about evolution.

    Once again, we see any number of men ready to jump on any issue rather than confront the Feminists over their next blatant move to further reduce men’s influence over their own (ie: men’s own) lives.

    Look at the calibre of people responding! Why oh why oh WHY cannot the Feminists engender (pardon the obvious pun, irony and subtle teasing) such a response about their latest antics? Your language is great, your spelling superb and your conviction on this issue is obvious. So is your inability to stick to the issue which is one of the reasons why the “Men’s Rights” movement is seen to be such a flop. (It actually isn’t but bear with me).

    So, why can’t you direct such vitriol at those who really ARE massacring your existence?

    Evolution is all very nice, but what the (bleep) does that have to do with Men’s Rights and the fact (let’s all face it, it’s a damn well fact) that men simply have very few rights if any?

    OH, I get it!

    We have been so trained by the Feminists to accept anything that rips men’s rights away, we don’t care about it. Like (say) Title IX (or is that title “stake through the heart”?) or Title XI or Title XXI or whatever the jaw-dropping massacre of men’s rights that happens this week – we let that bye (by? Bye bye?) without the slightest squeak?

    Oh, do I remember the thundering denouncements of Feminism by the great evolutionists of the past, the shoe-pounding on the UN podium done to rightly excoriate the feminists… What a pity. I just made that bit up.

    Have we all become so trained by Feminism that no-one questions the Feminists’ (collective apostrophe, here, please note) “evolution-granted right” (Darwinian-granted right”? Taxonomy, taxonomy, thy name is confusion) to assert that men now are “evolutionary unnecessary” ?

    Have we accepted that men will have no part in the future of the human race? Have we meekly acquiesced to the Feminists’ oft-repeated ideas about the need to rid the world of the Obviously Oppressive Evolutionarily Regressive Disgusting-To-Feminists sexually dimorphic (I think that’s the right word) races that have the REPULSIVE idea of two genders…well, the Feminists will soon be rid of all that! Or rather, men will work themselves into an early grave to do it for them.

    Daily, progress is announced by (mostly male) evolutionists and biologists and geneticists that men’s role will soon be entirely unnecessary… indeed, it is expected within some few years that there will be artificial sperm, in which case Bye Bye Guys. Self-destruction, seppuku, undertaken without honour but with an enthusiasm verging on the bizarre. We drink every cup of bitter poison the Feminists shove towards us, hoping that this time they’ll be satisfied, this time, please let this time be the last.

    Modern man is the New Castrati but this time without a sound, without a voice and without a clue. All of the pain, none of the gain. Ah, yes, and we have seen (and tasted) of the mercy, kindness and compassion that our future Feminists’ Tyrants will show towards us, when we achieve their Feminist Final Solution for the Gender Problem. “Gender cleansing” is their phrase for it. How delightfully simple: men are working to achieve their own end. Literally. No wonder the Feminists have little to fear from us.

    C’mon, where is the passion I see in the above respondents when transferred to objecting to Feminism? It’s almost entirely absent. Where are the thundering denouncements of the supposed “Darwinian Ideal” of Only One Gender? Why the stunning silence? Or is this idea secretly supported?

    Y’know it’s strange but my copy of the Origins Of Species is curiously missing those chapters which show how men are Evolutionarily Useless … obviously MY copy was prepared by a MAN. If you want a job done right, get a Feminist to do it. Um, so Charles Darwin wasn’t male? He wasn’t? Shucks, I coulda SWORN he was, but then, my mistake. (oooh, the schpelling police will be afffer me)

    Or are we to meekly accept the conclusions expounded in the Society for the Cutting Up Of Men- The SCUM Manifesto, by that drug-addled psycho fruit-cake known as Valerie Solanas?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

    Is that the real end of the evolutionary ideal? Is Fred Reed’s discomfort at Evolution because he sees (however dimly) that the Feminists have it right and men are an evolutionary dead-end, a useless appendage, a mistake and one that’ll soon be rectified? (I don’t think so, Feminists – but then, I’m male).

    Is all of the twisting and turning of the Men’s Right’s activists nothing more than a hopeful-but-hopeless attempt(s) to Never Criticise The Almighty Feminists as a man’s evolutionary equivalent of a dinosaur moaning about the Big Bright Light In The Sky (the KT Impactor)…?

    Hey, meekness is what the Men’s Rights movement has shown so far. And it’s worked so well, I’m sure we’ll continue it. Worked well for the Feminists, that is. Guys: in this case, the meek will not inherit the Earth. What we’ll inherit is the grinding Second, demoralized Third and crushed & broken Fourth class existence, as a preparation for our final extinguishing as a gender.

    And we’ll damn well deserve it too.

    I suppose what I have said above will be roundly ignored.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Oz Cynic

    “I suppose what I have said above will be roundly ignored.”

    Not by me, and I suppose not by others.

    At 52, I am rapidly approaching the point where I will have spent half my life, one way or another, involved in the MRM. I don’t think there was a single frustration you expressed that I have not felt a thousand times over. And I still do at times.

    But I also think this is a matter of perspective, which men, much to their credit, have an often uncanny ability to keep.

    I have come to just accept the possibility that the MRM will never be a matter of mass public outrage or fanfare. We won’t squeeze 100.000 protesters into the Washington Mall or raise hell and thunder from outside Parliament in London or Canberra.

    It is more a war waged in courts, in public opinion and in the playing ground of personal gender relationships. And in all three of those areas I see distinct and very real changes happening.

    I really enjoyed the Reed piece because it is well written and prompts people to think, and people not thinking is probably our worst enemy in the MRM. Does that mean Fred has struck a blow against the feminists? No, I don’t think so. But he did just provide us with a few minutes of pleasure for readers that are more wired to use their brains than their hearts.

    I don’t see how this can be a bad thing.

  • Jabberwocky

    “Though strictly speaking evolution doesn’t imply progress toward anything, people want very much to believe that there is purpose or direction in life. Thus the ineradicable belief in the non-Christian popular mind that evolution is a straight-line advance from the primitive and inferior to the higher and better, with (who could have guessed it?) us at the pinnacle. Continuing motion toward perfection was sure to come.”

    This is a summation of an original idea of mine, not part of the non-Christian popular mind, although I hope it continues to spread. And I never said it was a straight-line advance. It will be beset with setbacks, all part of its natural cycles, needed for the occasional cleansing and rebooting of the system. Also, some distant alien life may be its pinnacle, but I don’t bring this up often.

    I thank you for doubting and rejecting my idea. Without this, it is worthless. You help it by denying it openly. By creating an opposition, you solidify its existence. Let the debate evolve.

    BTW: My original name for the idea was Omni-theistic Evolutionism.
    Someone else called it the God-Cycle. I like God-Cycle better, as mine was trying to be too highbrow.

    P.S. – Proper spelling and grammer skills do not equate with intelligence in the forms which I consider most important:

    Visual-spatial thought and creativity. (Anyone who has studied and understands the human mind and cognition understands this, or the claim that women are smarter than men would be true. I would say in fact that language sometimes distorts understanding.)

    The Jabberwocky slumbers again, irritated he was forced to awaken so early.

  • Mr. J

    Adherents to the evolutionist religion are indeed the most irrational of the zealots, no doubt about that.

  • Oz Cynic

    @ Paul Elam

    I ended up in the “Men’s rights movement” largely by accident. I have watched, though, as again and again, the “evolutionists” have insisted that men (and males) are now evolutionarily unnecessary. This is a great excuse to the likes of Valerie Solanas who wrote that men are to be exterminated, and for which the National Organisation For Women (NOW) praised her as being a “perfect” Feminist.

    My question is: is this the reason why Fred’s piece (which was largely written to generate discussion, let’s face it) is scowled at? Is the questioning of evolution-as-support-for-Feminism “not allowed”?

    Why is it that those who evidently believe in evolution and will issue seemingly spontaneous defences of it (if questions or objections are raised by anyone) – yet when evolution is used to justify the complete extermination of men, there’s DEAFENING SILENCE?

    Where’s the real priorities, here? That we men as so intent on supporting this or that entrenched position, we refuse to accept it’s the very thing that is bombarding us into non-existence? The evolutionists regularly issue dismissive diatribes against the creationists, yet the very evolutionists who insist they are so all-in-favour of men’s rights say not a WORD in support of men, when such obviously anti-male books such as “The Demonic Male” are published.

    When oh when oh when will the male evolutionists adopt the same level of passion in defending THEMSELVES as they do for evolution that gets regularly used to prove how useless and unnecessary and awful and horrible men are?

    Is this support for “evolution as support for extermination of men” something like the proverbial circular firing squad?

    I suspect you, Paul, ask yourself exactly the same question(s).

  • Oz Cynic

    @ Jabberwocky

    “ORIGINAL”?

    There’s not a single thing about what it is you propose as “original”, unless you’re actually Frank J. Tipler.

    Take one look here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_point

    What you are proposing was all thought out by a Jesuit priest called Pierre Teilhard De Chardin something like a century ago.

    Pity he was also heavily involved with the Piltdown hoax, but, well… we all have our faults and failings.

  • Oz Cynic

    @ Paul Elam

    I think in one sense, you are corect if you say “there won’t be a million-man march” (in Canberra or Washington or London or Paris) in the next few years.

    I must counter: when the HECK did the Feminists need any such beast? They took over because they had access to the behind-the-scenes stuff by being married to the power-brokers, and king-makers. Thus we see the Prohibition amendment to the US constitution (to pick but one) being pushed by the WCTU (the proto-Feminist movement) without a “million woman” march on Washington DC. Yet it still passed, and the Feminists wanted it because it was seen to harm men.

    Then the Feminists saw how harmful it was (to themselves), then blamed MEN for Prohibition and campaigned (behind the scenes, again) to have the 22nd amendment passed to counteract the 18th amendment. Thus the American Constitution now has two amendments which directly contradict each other, thanks to the Feminists.

    But all these changes were introduced without million-woman-marches, just continued hectoring by mentally ill man-hating harridans who (establishing the scene for what we see today) used their positions of influence to bully those who could make and pass laws.

    Yet – they did not dare place the Equal Rights Amendment(s) to a popular vote. There was never a referendum to pass the crummy thing, because even the Feminists knew they could not get it passed. There were enough women who WEREN’T mentally ill man-haters and the average man realised what it would mean to men.

    Instead, the idiocy was passed by “salami tactics”…a small slice here a small slice there, and finally all of it is chopped up.

    You and I both know this.

    The thing is, they got away with it, because men had been put through such awful things (World War 1, Great Depression, World War 2), men had reached their end of their tethers and Just Gave Up.

    You and I both know this.

    But – here’s the thing – even now, the Feminists still have not achieved such a complete victory over men that they cannot get away with everything they want.

    This is like the tide going out and out and out like before that tsunami a few years ago in East Asia on Boxing Day.

    Then, the sudden return of the water. The trouble is, this tends to be extremely indiscriminate.

    While we (men’s right’s activists, if I may elevate myself) cannot convince the Feminists to move outta the way, I suggest that we could convince everyone else.

    If we stop grovelling to those who have “proven” that men are now evolutionarily unnecessary, that the “Y” gene is finished (and not needed anyway) that men deserve to be replaced or just quietly done away with. Some of these “males” (I use the term loosely) even seem to want to be allowed to commit suicide as a sort of payment of the Feminist obligations they evidently feel.

    The message is out there, all right. I talk to many males who are utterly disgusted with the Feminists, and many females who are at best ambivalent.

    But – everyone is so scared to death of Feminism that nobody wants to move. I can’t say I can’t blame them.

    Yet – one spark is going to set this tinderbox off. The trouble is it’ll go off in random directions.

    And the source of ignition? The present economic disaster-in-the-making.

    Y’see, the majority of those who are losing their jobs are MALES, because employers are so terrified of sacking / making redundant any female employees, and you can only rub someone’s nose in it for so long.

    While the Feminist version of equality was being done to someone else, very few males cared. As the saying is: it’s a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it’s a Depression when you lose your own. Well, what’s coming to the Western World is the Second, Greater Depression.

    The Feminists have been able to point out how “awful” men are (presumably for pandering to them) – but when there’s millions of angry, unemployed men who KNOW they are being ratted on and it ain’t their fault, prepare for a really, really bad time.

    In one sense, that’s a sort of – well, hope is the wrong word. In another, it’s a sort of dreadful thing that men have to wait until things get THAT BAD before they act.

    I suspect you would join me in that thought, too.

  • SingleDad

    Oz, you seem to have a great sense of history. You are a credit to this movement.

    I just want to mention, because it has come up more than once in this thread, the newest research says the Y chromosome is hardly disappearing and redundant.

    The latest research shows that is actually the fastest evolving gene in our genome. In fact, from what I read, researchers are saying that a large percentage of the difference between us and other primates, like chimps, seems to reside on the Y chromosome.

    Even the authors or the research say they are surprised. The implications for politicizing this research was not lost on them.

    However, being a scientist, the story of our genome is just unraveling so we don’t know what the real truth is.

    But for political purposes, it is just as valid to now postulate that men are the engine of human evolution through the Y chromosome.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/genetics/article6987092.ece






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