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And What If We Like It?

2010-02-02
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One of the key findings of the men’s movement is that defining feature of the male gender role is disposability. Throughout history, men have been expected to sacrifice their lives in wars, accidents and dangerous jobs. The influence men have had on society has invariably been coupled to this willingness to take on dangerous, heavy and dirty tasks that nobody really wants to perform. Helping men realize that being disposable is no longer necessary in modern and postmodern societies is a big step forward, and enables men to let go of the learned helpnessless that characterizes many men when they sacrifice their own life without knowing why. In some ways, there is a direct parallell here to the women’s movement helping women realize that they do not need to be housewives; instead they can work and earn their own living, just like men.

So far so good. But what happens if liberated men continue to choose jobs that are dangerous, and liberated women choose to stay at home with the kids (part-time or full-time)? Does this mean that we’ve gotten nowhere in our struggle to help liberate the sexes?

The distinction that needs to be made here is that truly realizing what options you have, and what choices you actually make, are two completely different things. If I know that I as a man do not have more of a responsibility to be a police officer than a women has, then I have been liberated from my gender role, regardless of whether I choose to actually be a police officer or not. Similarly, a woman has been liberated from her traditional gender role if she knows that she has every option to prioritize her career-even if she then proceeds to focus most of her time on having a family.

In my opinion, the reason that we even focus on the actual choices of the sexes to determine whether we have reached some sort of gender equality, is due to the fact that mainstream feminism has repeatedly taught us that we aren’t equal until women work as much as men do outside the home. This narrow focus on making the sexes identical, has very little to do with gender liberation. Gender equality need not mean gender sameness, regardless of what we have been led to believe.

There is a lot of work still to be done for the men’s movement. Men are still committing suicide far too often, most of the homeless are men, boys are performing badly in school, men are removed from their children after divorces, etc etc. But as we are working to change the conditions for men, let us not make the mistake of telling men how to behave, or what kind of lifestyle is “approved”. Feminism has already walked down that path once, and it simply doesn’t work.

Pelle Billing is an M.D. who writes and lectures about men’s issues and gender liberation beyond feminism.

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  • irlandes

    >>You sound like you’ve been screwed by a few women in your lifetime.

    That is called shaming language, Dray. Call home, Men have figured it out and it doesn’t work any more, except perhaps with the men of lowest intelligence.

    This is a subset of telling men they have no credibility because they are bitter.

    As if a normal, healthy man is not supposed to be bitter when his kids are taken away from him by an adulterous wife, and he is ordered to pay child support greater than his income.

    I recommend to people like you who are out of touch with reality to read the book FUTURE SHOCK. It describes when society is changing so fast people can’t keep up with the changes.

  • Bruno

    @Dray
    “Every woman wants a prince”
    I think what you want to say is: every woman wants to be treated like a Princess. This means: adored, served and obeyed.
    And I think you are talking about yourself here.
    Luckily not every woman is like this.

  • DonnieH

    @ Dray: “But you need to be kind and gentle and warm and manly to attract this group.”

    Yeah, right. Like we haven’t already been there and tried that. Fool me once- shame on you. Fool me twice- shame on me. How insane do you think the men on this site are to expect them to repeat such behavoir, yet expect a different outcome?

    “Try gentleness. Gentlemanliness. Every woman wants a prince” . . . to economically exploit for her own selfish purposes while providing nothing in return?

    Yes, well, we can’t all be princes now, can we? Most of us are average, and we’ve learned that gentleness and gentlemanliness gets average guys like us screwed over (and broke). Start with Game. If you happen to meet one of these mythical women Dray talks about, you can modify your behavior from there.

  • Dabir Dalton

    RE: So far so good. But what happens if liberated men continue to choose jobs that are dangerous, and liberated women choose to stay at home with the kids (part-time or full-time)? Does this mean that we’ve gotten nowhere in our struggle to help liberate the sexes?
    ________________________

    Not at all. Men and woman don’t need to be liberated from the biological roles nature has fitted them to perform unless of course our society wants to enslave these very same men and women to roles they weren’t created to perform.

  • steven deluca

    As a policeman I did risk my life for others. That was my choice. I was also taught to take risks to get respect from others. I also took more risks growing up than my twin sister did. More boxing, karate, faster on bikes… I am not sure what a “free choice” would look like but if no one is twisting my arm, if women and my friends would love me anyway, I think playing the piano would have been a better choice than police work if that was my start in life. Women think cops are hot (they used to be, now too many are fat) smile. Women used to drive to army bases in couples to see men in uniform and the loved cops. Sex, status, power, respect, there are many reasons to go into police work. And it’s fun sometimes too. Exciting. And no more dangerious than being a garbage collector. Scarier more often, but no more risk of death.

    What I love to read about is when feminist women look at anything men and women do and find a way to make women look better. Women get fewer complaints as cops =’s women are better than men. When I was a cop in Korea as an average size man… when you had a drunk or two or someone aggressive, the big guy steps up to intimidate into compliance. If I had a smaller partner or a woman partner it would be my deeper voice they would hear, men step up to protect female cops. Not always but often and believe me, most small men and women don’t mind if the big cop bellows and the bad guys back down. They don’t always back down. The big cops risks most injury and most complaints and then he reads about how women cops are better.

    SD

  • Dray

    Richard,

    You sound like you’ve been screwed by a few women in your lifetime. A bit of advice:

    1. Like attracts like. If you’re harboring some deep-seated anger, no matter how justified, you are going to scare the crap out of decent women. Any normal, kind-hearted, lovely woman is going to see two things: 1 – you’re angry, 2 – if that anger is directed against them, they’re screwed. In a horribly ironic way, your anger stands to only attract man-hating angry types. Harsh, but true. You need to radiate love and kindness if that is what you want to attract.

    2. Not all women are feminists. And there is a crop of young women, raised in the hand-your-baby-off-to-paid-strangers camp who will reject and ultimately overthrow this insanity. But you need to be kind and gentle and warm and manly to attract this group. Anger will only scare them away. And for good reason.

    I’m sorry you’ve been screwed. I really am. But anger is not the answer. It may be instinctive and wholly justified, but it will get you nowhere.

    Try gentleness. Gentlemanliness. Every woman wants a prince. Any woman worth having.

    Trust me.

  • DonnieH

    @ Dray: “Maybe, but let’s say you DO decide to be a police officer. Your instincts will be to protect your fellow FEMALE officers, possibly at the expense of your own life. And they will expect you to do that, in the heat of the moment.”

    My neighbor is a police officer, and I can guarantee that he would not act in the way you suggest. I’m pretty sure that if a female officer expressed an expectation that he sacrifice his life to protect her, he’d tell her where to shove it. I think most American women have no idea what they’ve lost (and I don’t see it coming back within their lifetimes).

  • http://www.rip-factor.com/formen/index.html Richard

    One BIG problem:

    The whole feminist equality that started in the 60′s had nothing to do with equality.

    It was all about male-hatred.

    Sure, there is no woman who would not argue until she was blue in the face with me on this one.

    But then again, there is no woman who would not argue that a man has an obligation to support children that are not his either (until she was blue in the face).

    Come to think of it – There really are no women that would not argue any silly point with any man until they are blue in the face…

    It’s called misandry. It was simply mis-labelled as feminism.

    It is all around us – it has become mainstream.

    It has nothing to do with equality – and never did.

    Why any man would still fight for a society that treats him like a second class citizen is beyond me.

    There is no reason for any man to cater to, or fight for, a society that serves him so poorly.

  • Dray

    In this day and age, there’s no reason why all the dirty, heavy, and dangerous work should still be done by men only.

    I’m not sure I agree with this. I think lots of heavy nasty work is done by women, too, but because we are weaker physically, it doesn’t seem like heavy dirty work to men who are watching.

    It’s the role of poor people, I think, to do this work. And that’s fine. It’s a damn good incentive to work hard and not be poor, and incoming poor folks take over the jobs as people move up. That’s kind of how the whole American Dream thing works.

    Feminists want to dismantle this, too. Exploiting others is so, you know, masculine. Oh, exept for those poor women they exploit to take care of their children, clean their houses, cook their food and have sex with their men.

    That’s important community service, people!

  • JutGory

    I would agree. However, I would add that, unlike feminists, who have difficulty acknowledging the nobility of a woman’s choice to stay home and raise children, we should be unabashed in our acknowledgement and praise of those men who do sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Yes, we are fortunate that we are freed from the obligation to engage in the dirtiest and riskiest jobs, but we should honor those who do. Because, even if it is not necessary for every man to perform such work, we should realize that it is essential work that cannot be neglected.
    -Jut

  • Bruno

    euh… to be clear, I was talking here about WOMEN having forced men out of the nice top-jobs by quota and positive action, so WOMEN should then now be forced into the bad jobs.

  • Bruno

    In this day and age, there’s no reason why all the dirty, heavy, and dangerous work should still be done by men only.
    If women want quota for an equal number of women in all the high-paid comfortable jobs, there should be also a quotum for an equal number of women in all the dirty, heavy and dangerous jobs.
    Since women have forced men out of the nice top-jobs by quota and positive action, they should then also be forced into the bad jobs.
    Somebody should come up with a nice plan for that.

  • Dray

    If I know that I as a man do not have more of a responsibility to be a police officer than a women has, then I have been liberated from my gender role, regardless of whether I choose to actually be a police officer or not.

    ****

    Maybe, but let’s say you DO decide to be a police officer. Your instincts will be to protect your fellow FEMALE officers, possibly at the expense of your own life. And they will expect you to do that, in the heat of the moment.

    It’s biological. It makes evolutionary sense. A society that loses all it’s young men, but one, is still a society. A society that loses all it’s young women, but one, is on the brink of extinction.

    The word “disposable” is yucky. Men are not “disposable”, but they do have a biologically based instinct to protect the whole species. This used to be, and NEEDS to return, as the basis of profound respect for men.

    I’m a woman. I gave birth to my three children without drugs or knives, using my own willpower and strength, my husband by my side. I KNOW, without a moment of doubt, that he would give his life to protect us. I would give my life to protect my children. That’s how it works. That’s why we’re even here, as a species.

    Younger men – I don’t think they WOULD give their lives. They have been socialized by female teachers and feminist media into quivering cowardice. They do not see any respect for their instrinsic qualities out in the world, and therefore have no respect for themselves, as men.

    What the men’s movement needs to fight for is a recognition of biologically based difference. Babies DO NOT want to be handed off to the hired help (usually a poor woman the feminist mother is exploiting, but don’t point that out), and men need to be valued, cherished and respected for the tremendous value they bring by providing and protecting vulnerable mothers and children.

    It should be pointed out that SOME men have abused that role, but then again SOME women abuse their roles, too. This is no reason to abandon the whole project.

    Who are the happiest women? The ones who are in a traditional marriage, caring for a husband and family and contributing to the community and society by raising their own children. The women’s movement thinks women like us are stupid chumps destined for poverty and misery.

    If the men’s movement doesn’t stand up for us, who will?

    It’s okay to be different. It’s actually essential.







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