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Thoughts on an Interview with General Stanley McChrystal

2010-02-21
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Oh lord. Oh lord. I can’t stand it. Somebody get me a drink.

Recently I saw an interview with General McChrystal, head butcher of the Pentagon’s Democracy Implantation Force in Afghanistan. The General was explaining our ongoing victory. Yes, victory. We were making progress. It was only a matter of time. He could see the light at the end of the tunnel. He didn’t explain what were doing in a tunnel in the first place. I guess he forgot.

The man was a superb explainer. He was intelligent, lean and fit, tanned—American Gothic in olive fatigues. Earnestness rolled off him in waves, accompanied by Firmness, Soldierly Determination and, I suspect, utter incomprehension of what he was doing. Thirty years in the military will make the most brilliant officer into a simpleton. Most achieve it by the time they make first lieutenant.

The guy was Westy, I thought. They’ve dug him up and added animatronics. He had the same statistics, drew the same comforting graphs showing the same progress in pacification, the same decline in Bad Things and rise in Good Things. Yes, he thought, we really should stop killing so many civilians, but we would stop. We were going to help the Afghans, as soon as we finished killing most of them. (He didn’t say the part about killing most of them but seems to be working on it.) We would win their hearts and minds by beneficent and salubrious bombing. (OK, he didn’t say that either. It seems to be what he thinks.)

Great Gawd, I reflected not too charitably, if this guy ever gets sick, he’ll need an equine proctologist.

So now we are invading Marjah, a city, to build schools and hospitals. Schools and hospitals are characteristically built with heavy artillery. As soon as we have destroyed the place, they will love us and see the virtues of the American Way. (The first thing we did was to blow up a house, killing twelve civilians including the mandatory contingent of children. If that’s not a hearts-and-minds move, I can’t imagine what could be. This report I saw on Anti-War.com, which I recommend to all and sundry.)

The strategy makes perfect sense, really. I mean, if Afghans killed your tyke, wouldn’t that make you want to adopt their form of government, and let them improve your life? It would me.

All of this is so eerily familiar. Westmoreland, the Ghost of McChrystal Past, was also a pacifier of hamlets. Kill their kids, give them five hundred bucks and a lollipop in compensation. Explain voting. What a plan.

Sez me, officers should not be allowed to try to think. A constitutional amendment would be appropriate. They spend decades steeped like green tea bags in a martial culture that doesn’t have a poodle’s grasp of how people work. If you want to fight the Red Army in the Fulda Gap (I don’t particularly) send McChrystal. He doubtless knows armor, helicochoppers, large guns that say boom. But about people, he ain’t got the sense God give a crabapple. And this is a people’s war.

Understand: soldiers are not normal. They live in a bubble world, sealed away on semi-isolated bases with profoundly isolated minds. The usual traits of human behavior don’t apply, such as individual thought or mental independence. They believe in God and Country (at least, those who stay in long enough to make policy do). They are clean and neat, feel themselves part of a collective working together, respect authority and believe that others, such as Afghans, would be happier if they only did what they were told and got with the program. The military’s notions of Good and Evil are stark and very, very simple. We’re good, and wogs who don’t want us in their country are bad.

Some of this is not quite as silly as it sounds, as long as you stay on the bases. These typically are pleasant and orderly, authoritarian but not tyrannical, with public pools and gyms and clinics and in most respects the kind of welfare-plus-responsibility for which liberals yearn. The soldiers want Afghans to live the same way. It won’t fly.

Protestant Reader’s Digestism doesn’t transfer to Kandahar. “We’re here to help you” suggests to most of the world, “run like hell.” The sense of righteousness among field-grade officers is strong. They are doing God’s work. It doesn’t occur to them—can’t occur to them—that devout Moslems don’t want any Christians at all in their country, much less Christians who kick in doors and humiliate their women. The colonels think they are trying to extirpate evil, and that six robotic-looking alien troops hand-cuffing a man in front of his family is a small price to pay for democracy. Of course the grunts doing the kicking hate the locals, who dress funny and eat weird shit and shoot at them.

What McMoreland doesn’t get is that people just don’t like being invaded. Yes, yes, it’s for their own good. We, of course, will determine what constitutes their own good.

Such is the ingratitude of these people, and their lack of respect for borders, that we find ourselves forced to expand the war into Cambod—Pakistan, I meant. Pakistan. And so the Predators fly, Predating, killing the wrong people because that’s what there are more of. That doing this might produce animosity is irrelevant to soldiers. The Mision is sacred. Our intentions are good.

The consequences of not understanding what you are doing can be consequential. (Is that genius or what? You read it first here.)

It gets so tiresome. We are always saving the world from some dread or other, usually unasked. Recently a friend read me a passage from Robert Bork, the very smart, very conservative intellectual who didn’t make the Supreme Court. In it he spoke of the justness and necessity of the war on Vietnam, saying that it was crucial in the effort to stop the spread of communism. Those who opposed the war just didn’t understand the danger.

We lost the war. What happened? The Soviet Union peacefully went out of existence. Its component “republics” have joined NATO or want to. “Communist” China is a major trading partner. Vietnam, still communist, hosts a big Intel plant. Cambodia is what it always was, a hot and drab little place of no importance. Laos too is green and hot and full of people who remember their fathers being killed by the Americans.

For this we slaughtered millions, brought Pol Pot to power to kill others, and killed a comparative few of our own citizens. Now, if America wants to kill its own soldiers, that is America’s business. It is a matter of national sovereignty with which no other country should have the right to interfere. McChrystal could maybe hold a private war somewhere in the southwestern deserts. You know, McCrystal vs. David Petraeus, with two divisions each, twelve rounds or knockout, no holds barred, but they have to buy their own weapons.

But leave others out of it.

More Fred rightchere.

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  • Mr.K

    Another link to CBS segment on World Trade Center story by a preview.:(CBS link did not work)

    http://www.observer.com/2010/real-estate/silverstein-60-minutes-ground-zero-%E2%80%98national-disgrace%E2%80%99

  • Mr.K

    The wounds of 9/11/2001 are slow to heal. CBS program “60 minutes” last Sunday aired a segment of
    “Ground Zero” redevelopment. Although 7 billion dollars have been spent, the former World Trade Center is still a hole in the ground. Google heading.

    What Ever Happened to Ground Zero? – 60 Minutes – CBS News
    Feb 19, 2010 … It took three cameramen from “60 Minutes” to photograph the expanse of the 16-acre hole that was once the basement of the World Trade Center …
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/…/60minutes/main6224128.shtml – Cached

  • Mr.K

    Wikipedia’s explanation of how the Soviet Union was defeated and Frankenstein created in Afghanistan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
    “Carter’s national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has stated that the U.S. effort to aid the mujahideen was preceded by an effort to draw the Soviets into a costly and presumably distracting Vietnam War-like conflict. In a 1998 interview[4] with the French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: “We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would… That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap… The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, “We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War.”
    Warning about Frankenstein,
    “In the late 1980s, Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned about the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a Frankenstein.”[21]“.

  • Jean

    For those who think Fred is a leftard or leftist, you should read the rest of what he has written, FredOnEverything.net.

    He is NOT leftist, but he IS anti-war. I think it’s because he’s been there, front lines. IIRC, he lost most of his eyesight on the lines in Vietnam. He’s lived in the US, found it to be onerous these days, and I agree with that, overall – but I’m not in a position to leave, as I learned too late the folly of being invested in this foul system.

    Fred has also been on the streets dealing with the police, riding along in the inner city. He’s now living in an ex-pat community in Mexico, I believe it is, and has made some interestign comparisons to the US. He often turns things on their head, taking a different view from Leftist or Rightist, which makes a pretty good sanity check.

    Don’t kill the messenger for telling you the truth. Good messengers (tricksters, coyotes, and fools) are hard to find.

  • Mr.K

    Congressman who helped to drive the commies out of Afhanistan, Charlie Wilson, recently passed away. Current Secretary of Defence complimented him for the war effort.Quote from link.
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/10/charlie.wilson.obit/index.html
    “I had the unforgettable experience of knowing Congressman Wilson when I was at CIA and he was working tirelessly on behalf of the Afghan resistance fighting the Soviets,” said Defense Secretary Robert Gates in a written statement.

    “As the world now knows, his efforts and exploits helped repel an invader, liberate a people and bring the Cold War to a close. After the Soviets left, Charlie kept fighting for the Afghan people and warned against abandoning that traumatized country to its fate — a warning we should have heeded then, and should remember today.”

  • Bromage

    Sept 11? You mean that attack carried out by — mostly — Saudi Arabians and funded by a Saudi Arabian mastermind who educated his family in the US? You know — Saudi Arabia, our ally and our banker?

    Of COURSE that’s why US troops are dying on goatpaths in Afghanistan. Brilliant!!

  • Joe P.

    You heard the man…..get him another drink.

    Can you believe this leftard used to write for the Air Force Times weekly paper?

  • Mr. J

    I have to agree with those that see this article as just plain NUTS…..Yes, war is messy, its terrible, but like the other poster mentioned……Sept. 11, 2001…THATS why we’re there and its NOT going to go perfectly all the time.

    Of course, OUR gov’t SHOULD have seen sept 11 coming for 30 years and had safeguards in place but we all know thats the opposite of what was/is.

  • zuismanm

    Hi Paul.
    You are absolutely right about modern “left” (here in IL situation is exactly same). So called modern “left” is absolutely indistinguishable from right except some empty rhetoric (that is why I call them “pseudo-left” and they are more then 90 % of today self proclaimed left wing). That is why I spoke about radical left wingers… Some one that today stands on classical left positions (social justice – not gender , social!; anti imperialism, internationalism , strong unions and so on) are called today radical or extreme left… But actually we are on same place where left was for long time until some 100 years ago, when turn over that you spoke about happened… In that times when real left stil existed anti imperialism was bold sign of left wingers… If you define your self as right and support those ideas – I do not bother… In Russian is old sentence: “call me even pot , just do not put into stove”

  • Mr.K

    Arianna Huffington enumerates the name changes in Irag conflict. But if you put lipstick on a pig it’s still a pig. Maybe Afgan conflict should be renamed to pre 9/11/2001 days in memmory of late -Congressman as depicted in the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War”.
    Quote from Huff Post “Arianna Huffington: Sunday Roundup
    The White House served up a blast from the past this week with word that it was planning to rebrand the Iraq war — something the Bushies did quite often. Come Sept. 1, it will be good-bye “Operation Iraqi Freedom,” hello “Operation New Dawn”! This New Dawn will, incidentally, still see 50,000 U.S. troops left in Iraq. So we started with 2001′s “Gathering Threat” and 2002′s “Axis of Evil,” moved to 2003′s “Shock and Awe” and “Mission Accomplished,” then pinballed from “Fight ‘em There, Not Here” (’04) to “Last Throes” (’05) to “Stay the Course” (’05) to “The New Way Forward” (’06). “Operation New Dawn” sounds like “A New Way of Forgetting This Ever Happened.” It’s time to brand the war what it always was — “A Huge, Tragic Mistake” — and get the hell out.”

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  • Mr. Knight

    @ Paul Elam:

    I agree with you.

    I don’t want Americans to die to prop up the new Iraqi government.

  • Mr. Knight

    Well said Fred.

    Down with warmongering NeoCons co-opting conservatism.

    By the way, I bought your book at a used book store.

    Will you be writing another?

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Zuismanm

    It is interesting to me. I don’t take Mr. Reed’s piece as left wing at all, but rather a cogent reflection of genuine conservative ideals, at least prior to them being hijacked by ideologues.

    The last presidential primary was clear evidence of just how far the takeover has gone. Ron Paul was the only candidate that had the integrity to stand up and say that America was not well served by an imperialistic foreign policy that keeps the oil coming but otherwise results with many more people who quite understandably want to see us dead.

    And the left, at least in the U.S., has ultimately pursued the exact same policy as the right, where it concerns Iraq and Afghanistan. This might imply to more critical thinkers that our being involved in the conflicts is driven by something far different than political ideology, even as it depends on partisan divisions in the electorate to keep going.

    There couldn’t be financial or oil interest motives in play here, could there?

    My concern about these matters relates to men’s issues as well as humanitarian. 98% of the many thousands of soldiers coming home to their parents, wives and children in boxes are male. A number of them are ones that were forced to stay there by involuntary extension of their enlistments. They call it “stop-loss.” Just another way to say “draft.” And it is almost exclusively men that pay the price for it.

    Whenever there is a traumatizing event it is much easier to get people to think and act reflexively, even for very long periods of time. It happened with Pearl Harbor, the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11. And at times it creates a reaction that maintains momentum past any rhyme or reason. Take a look at the middle east.

    The Gulf of Tonkin incident, which by the way was a fabrication, led to 58,000 US dead (tack on another 75,000 suicides of Viet Nam vets), and 500k to a million Vietnamese snuffed out.

    And despite the fact we lost, the confabulated domino effect never happened and we are now welcome there as tourists where we can walk on the ground that was once covered in rivers of American blood.

    This seems to be the lot in our modern life. We cheer on imperialism and the needless slaughter of innocents and the loss of our young men, while we steadfastly refuse to take an honest look at the policies, OUR policies, that drove us to such insanities.

    Our young men in Afghanistan are not butchers, they are well meaning, good men duped into doing butchers work for the sake matters you will never see in the mainstream media.

    Say anything about it and a small but vocal minority will try to shame you as a “blame America firster,” much in the same way feminists try to shame more reasonable people out of dissent with charges of misogyny and social failure with women.

    I am an advocate for men staying alive, and especially for them not dying or being mutilated or psychologically destroyed for the enrichment of an already wealthy class of others who are exempt from such hardships.

    I laud Mr. Reed for this fine piece of honest and incisive commentary.

  • Andrew

    September 11, 2001

  • Mr.K

    How Haiti is handled is an example how to help over 200,000 who were lost and some million left behind. Have a concert ” We are the one” to raise millions of dollars so rich locals don’t have to give up their land.That’s the way to win “Hearts and Minds”
    http://www.durangoherald.com/sections/News/2010/02/20/Haiti_to_take_land_for_temporary_camps/
    That elite, a traditionally corrupting force in Haitian politics, has the power to bring down the government.

    The government owns some land but not enough, Bellerive said in an interview Thursday, meaning he has no choice but to take over private terrain.

    He would not say how much land will be appropriated. But international aid groups say hundreds of acres are needed to get quake victims out of overcrowded makeshift camps sprawled all over the devastated capital.

    Bernard Fils-Aime, a businessman, property owner and president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Haiti, said he was not aware of anyone in the business community being approached by the government about land. He said the issue would need to be treated cautiously

  • zuismanm

    Great! Well said in shape and clear words!
    I thought – I am almost single radical left winger in MRM!!!

  • Dan

    So now Fred is going the route of the 60s hippies and calling our soldiers butchers? You’re an ass Fred. And you don’t understand a thing about the Cold War. Saying that the Vietnam War and the other Cold War efforts had nothing to do with the collapse of communism is like saying that never having gotten Whooping Cough is proof that the vaccine was unnecessary. Again, you’re an ass, Fred.







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