Titanic Sized Hatred by Feminists Predates Second Wave

2010-04-15
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Do you think that the virulent form of feminism that now infects western culture was spawned in the late 1960’s with the likes of Steinem, Dworkin, et al? Was the first wave about suffrage and equal opportunity, and a handful of other things that most people would embrace in the name of human rights?

Think again.

Ninety eight years ago today, the Titanic sank into the cold Atlantic depths, taking down most of the passengers and crew, and mostly the male ones at that. Women and children first was the final law of the sea enforced by the officers of the doomed vessel, just before the captain went down with the ship.

One week later, the feminists of the time gave their take on the situation, as reported by the New York Times.

SUFFRAGETTES DENY CHIVALRY ON TITANIC

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“Women First” is the Universal Rule says

Sylvia Pankhurst- and This is no Exception

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SACRIFICE IS SCOFFED AT

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Jangling Note Disgusts English Nation, Proud of Way Men Died

On Sinking Steamship

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Special cable to the New York Times

London. April 20

These verses, by a ready poet, appeared in a London paper Wednesday.

Women and children first
That is the law of the sea
The law that holds unwritten
Should ever the need arise

The laborers wife in steerage
The lady of high degree
Go down to the boats together
Wherever the old flag flies

That is the privilege granted
To man that he stand aside
For thus he may prove his manhood
By looking death in the face.

It has been a matter of profound contentment that the records of the Titanic disaster show that the officers and crew did their duty in the manner of the best traditions of the British Merchant Marine Service.

That the male passengers, among whom the greatest portion were Americans would prove equal to the strain was also never doubted here. And while it was held possible that here and there a man may have momentarily lost his self control, it is noted that the male passengers magnificently supported the officers and crew, and the general opinion here, based on details so far in hand, is that no woman would seem to have been left aboard the sinking ship except by her own deliberate resolve to share the fate of those she loved.

To this story of epic grandeur and infinite pathos, of human courage confronting shattering disaster with the serenity of a man’s unselfishness triumphing over fear of death, there has been added one jangling note, that by the militant suffragettes of England.

Mis [sic] Sylvia Pankhurst, sister of Cristabel, was asked how the remarkable proportion of women saved accorded with the suffragette theory that chivalry was dead. She said she did not want to minimize in any way the gallantry displayed, but it must be born in mind that it was the universal rule in the cases of shipwreck that women and children should be saved first and that the instance of the Titanic was not the only one in which that was carried out. It was merely a matter of rule. There was no special chivalry attached to it.

Other suffragette leaders expressed views of a similar nature. Mrs. Mansel said the new woman “would rather be without exceptional treatment.” Mrs. Cecil Chapman declared that a suffragist would have preferred to meet her fate alongside her husband. She added, “I would a thousand times rather go down with the ship under similar circumstances.”

Another said that women, though saved through the noble sacrifice of men, were in the equally hard position of watching the ship go down. Mrs. Drummond said that each boatload of persons taken off a sinking would consist of half men and half women.

So much feelings were aroused by these and other kindred declarations that the National Union of Women’s Suffrage Societies deemed it incumbent to issue a notice profoundly regretting that certain Suffragists should have made the Titanic disaster a matte of controversy.

That the women of England are far from sharing the views of some suffragette leaders is amply proved by the response they have made to the Daily Mail’s appeal to them for contributions on behalf of the Titanic’s dead.

Thirty five thousand dollars has been sent to this paper by the women of England, to whom it appealed. The subscribers include Queen Alexandra and four princesses.

(List of contributors followed)

One could write a volume on the parallels between what we call modern gender feminism and the first wave. Primary among those comparisons would be the assumed insignificance of male life, and the hysterically over inflated notion of the woman’s experience as compared to men’s.

After all, if we can endure hearing modern politicians like Hillary Clinton utter depraved remarks like “Women are the real victims of war,” should we be less shocked to hear someone say that watching a ship go down is worse than aspirating icy saltwater till the life is snuffed out of you?

It appears that the only real difference between the suffragettes and modern feminists is that there was dissent from their hateful leaders that was publicly expressed.

Perhaps that was in a time that the women’s movement was finding it’s identity and going through a small battle between the voices of reason and the voices of malice and contempt.

But that was then, and as we all know, the latter won that one in a shut out.

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Paul Elam is the Editor-in-Chief for Men’s News Daily and the publisher of A Voice for Men

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  • http://dannyscorneroftheuniverse.blogspot.com Danny

    Nice of you to point this out but good luck getting feminists, regardless of what wave they are, to acknowledge that men were expected and possibly even forced to stay behind to give women and children priority. Well there might be a few out there but I highly suspect they are a minority among feminists.

    I did a post on this (inspired by one of your posts from several days ago) a day or two ago and while on a thread at Feministe (one of those where feminists have appointed themselves judge, jury, and executioner of Male Studies) I had a feminist tell me that my thoughts were shallow. So yes we are supposed to believe that feminists are concerned about men too yet they deny the role that chivalry, one of the most damaging concepts of all, played in the death toll.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    Good work Danny. And I don’t want to reach feminists, just expose them.

  • bizzman662

    Paul,

    Serious question…

    Is there ANY way to file a FEDERAL LAWSUIT against the VAWA being used in divorce proceedings (for obvious reasons)…..the fact that STATE REVENUES operate in part off of this and MOST IMPORTANT:

    The collusion that is OBVIOUS between lawmakers, the ABA, Judges, DA’s, State Governments, The “Mental Health” community, Shelters, “Duluth Model” indoctrination man bad/woman good classes, Police, Feminists who PROFIT, Prisons, Jails……….and on and on and on….

    HOW in the HELL is this not ILLEGAL????

    Or is everyone just afraid to do something?

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Bizzman662

    There is always a way to file. Winning is the problem. Roy Dean Hollander just got tossed (figurative) from a court in NYC where he was suing (I think) the federal government relative to the unconstitutionality of Title IX.

    It is a no brainer that title IX is unconstitutional, but alas, judges are politicians first and judiciaries second.

    Hollander found out the same way when he tried to sue night clubs for sexual discrimination over ladies night in night clubs. It went nowhere, despite the fact that these are businesses openly charging more for goods and services based on gender.

    Misandry is as pervasive as the fear that lives in our spineless judges and politicians.

    We have a long way to go.

  • HQR3

    Paul said,
    Misandry is as pervasive as the fear that lives in our spineless judges and politicians.

    I blame the weak, disorganized MRM for this. We naively expect judges, politicians, academics, et al, to martyr themselves for a movement theoretical at best. We hide behind screen names—myself included—expecting them to face down the feminist machine alone. Perhaps they’ll console themselves on having stood on principle, reading a half-dozen encouraging e-mails from MRAs while they stand on the unemployment line.

    Five years ago the feminazis descended on Wash., D.C., 500,000 strong on the non-issue of abortion. A few years ago we held a million-man march that had roughly 50 people…not all men.

    Until we show some real power, no one is going to take any lumps for us. Nor should they.

    And yes, we do have a long way to go.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ HQR3

    I often share similar feelings when I see the lack of organization in the MRM, but I stop short of blame, at least in the pure sense. It’s sort of like blaming the person who failed to lock their doors for the actions of whoever came in to rob them. Sure, they played a role, but “to blame?” I am not so sure.

    Also, I think we tend to forget that this is not like other movements. It is the only one in human history where the people affected, all human beings, are literally hard wired to resist the idea of men doing anything but filling sacrificial roles.

    It was much easier for women, since we were already hard wired to serve the needs of women. So hard wired that nearly half a century of insanity from feminist ideologues has gone all but unanswered, until recently. Actually so hard wired that we help them pull it off.

    My guess is that when this finally gains sufficient traction that it will still be hard because once they take us seriously we will face the resistance that they never did.

    Should be interesting.

  • Ray

    “Hollander found out the same way when he tried to sue night clubs for sexual discrimination over ladies night in night clubs. It went nowhere, despite the fact that these are businesses openly charging more for goods and services based on gender.”

    The same case elsewhere may have had better luck. New York is a bastion of gender feminist law and politics.

    Mr. Angelucci sued as a litigant (Angelucci v. Century Club) over discrimination against men regarding disparate pricing in what night clubs charge guests of different sexes to enter (men charged/women free). It was a violation under a CA state law called “The Unruh Act.” Angelucci (among others) and his sharp attorney Al Rava fought the case all the way to the CA Supreme Court – - – AND WON!!! The ruling now stands as part of CA law.

    In another CA court case, Mr. Angelucci was the attorney of record in a case called Woods v. Shewry. The suit basically was seeking equal protection for men who sought shelter in domestic violence shelters. Mr. Angelucci won at the appeals court level inside a magnificent court house in Sacramento (across from the state capitol) in one of the most brilliant and eloquent oratorical presentations I’ve ever heard anywhere. It was a privilege to hear it, AND Mr. A. won and the case was not appealed further. The ruling now stands as part of CA law. I recall also a victory in, I believe, West Virginia, last year further embracing equal rights for men in the area of domestic violence law. Certainly, more is needed and such actions are not cheap. One can only wonder why more men are not suing or at the very least joing organizations (key words “get organized”) that are geared to oppose injustices against men. Understandably, we are an army of the walking wounded and that last comment was not intended to blame, shame, or further hurt any misandrically (sp?) maligned man, just inquire and hopefully exhort. And lastly, heck yes, I’m part of an organization that does the things mentioned above – have been for over a decade now, but I’m starting to get old.

  • Denis

    Paul-

    I understand your sentiments from 2010-04-16 at 2:16 AM particularly the hard wiring of men.

    Here’s my thinking:

    Years ago I wrote the first MRA piece (it was here at MND) concerning Margaret Sanger, the WKKK, and how feminism has a history in wanting to rid America of Blacks via abortion.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2005/11/19/margaret-sanger-more-feminist-hate/

    I’ve seen this same message get picked up at mainstream outlets such as Townhall.com since then. I’ve seen Black websites pick up this message as well. I’ve spread this message far and wide over the last 5 years.

    This idea is causing Black males to question their hardwiring concerning feminism and so-called women’s rights.

    The same can be done for men as fathers. When fathers see that their sons have a dismal future due to 40+ years of radical feminism do you think fathers will question their hardwiring concerning their own misandry/chivalry and blind acceptance of feminism in favor of their innate natures as fathers who love their sons?

    I think so.

    But they have to get exposed to the message instead of remaining in the dark about what is really going on.

    So I am rather optimistic that this hardwiring can be short circuited and men can get beyond their sacrificial programming as long as the message keeps getting out for them to relate to.

    If men have to choose, let’s all point men in the direction of caring about their own self interests and the interests of those they care about and how these are incompatible with the interests of feminists and their allies.

    It is really a testiment to the power and influence of feminism that so much is obvious and in front of us (concerning feminism’s damage and evil) but so many fail to see. THAT is the central problem to overcome. Exposure.

  • DonnieH

    “The same can be done for men as fathers. When fathers see that their sons have a dismal future due to 40+ years of radical feminism do you think fathers will question their hardwiring concerning their own misandry/chivalry and blind acceptance of feminism in favor of their innate natures as fathers who love their sons?”

    The same can be done for women as mothers. Over the years, it’s become apparent that most women (I can count the exceptions I know on the fingers of one hand) don’t give a hoot about men’s issues unless it personally affects them- father, husband, son, etc. Mothers love their sons, and many see too late the fate that awaits them. The biggest mistake I see men making trying to reach out to these mothers is appealing to their intellect, rather than to their emotion. Initiate with emotion, support with intellect.

  • Mr. Knight

    It is well past time for the civilization that men built to be proud of men for living, not for dying.

    As far as feminism being a hate movement well before the 1960′s, that is very true:

    Feminism was a negative response to the Constitution more than 2 centuries ago, and the 1848 Seneca Falls convention was focused on stripping fathers of their rights to parent.

  • Red0660

    Paul: YOU SAY: “It was much easier for women, since we were already hard wired to serve the needs of women.”

    Women are also hard wired to serve the needs of themselves. When you compound the synergy of interest of both genders toward the wellbeing of women, men are left to die and rot in the streets and under bridges.

    It took me a lot of time and study to understand why women were not organizing for anyone else’s welfare but their own.

    Men MUST come to the understanding that female power and authority does not involve protection and provision to men but quite the opposite.

    Women feel inherently valuable and inherently entitled and in a biological sense maybe they are or in the case of clan survival evolutionarily speaking..their wellfare was mandatory.

    I believe women’s political power will increasingly be used to organize the social fabric and the associated social, political and economic policy of government to support their own interests and welfare alone to the point where they will in fact consume the nation of male enfranchisement and incentive to produce.

    Politicians know this and it is not difficult to convince women that they are entitled to State protection and provision… The government LOVES WOMEN AND WOMEN have a deep and meaningful relationship with their government husband…

    Please See: Workhorses of the Matriarchy if you have not already……http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdafJpieIJ0

    Don’t believe for a moment that female feelings of entitlement from their government husband will subside……..This is only the beginning unless men make “the personal political” as women have done. We must take our politics to the personal realm… Our founders would roll in their graves and never would have imagined that we would have given women so much control over the State and the dictates of how men work for and provide for women but such is the deplorable condition of our countrymen….. Women have married our government…

    rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com






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