Is Misandry at the Heart of Men’s Studies?

2010-04-20
By
Miles Groth, PhD.

In an earlier article here I wrote about words, tracing the history of the well-known “studies” of women, gender and men and their correlates, womanhood and femininity, manhood and masculinity. I suggested that talk of these euphemisms for the male and female sexes has produced a straw body of pseudoscience. Understand, then, that the terms I use in what follows constitute a problem in itself, but one which I have addressed elsewhere.

Thinking about the teleconference sponsored by the Foundation for Male Studies that launched Male Studies: A New Academic Discipline at Wagner College on April 7, I want to say something in response to the claim that nothing of the kind is needed since for thirty years “men’s studies” has with notable results already accomplished what Male Studies is presumably setting out to do. Simply put, “men’s studies” has had little effect on the lives of most males and that, in fact, their lives have worsened in well-documented ways during the heyday of “men’s studies.”

As I write, a few dozen full-length books and a number of popular anthologies widely used in gender studies courses, and nearly 900 articles in five journals (the Journal of Men’s Studies, Men and Masculinities, Fathering, and the International Journal of Men’s Health) have been published. To date, seventeen annual conferences of the American Men’s Studies Association (AMSA) have convened, the most recent this past March. I have been told by one of its founding members that during the two decades of its existence, AMSA’s membership has never exceeded 150 men and a few women.

A related organization, the National Organization for Men Against Sexism (NOMAS), also exists. It began as a group by declaring its independence from AMSA. Early divisiveness is part of the curious history of men’s studies. For a history of the two organizations, see AMSA and NOMAS. The Men’s Studies Association (MSA) connected with NOMAS will convene its 22nd meeting in August 2010 and its National Conference on Men and Masculinity (NCMM) will have its 35th annual meeting a few weeks earlier in the summer. By the end of this year, hundreds of papers, panels and workshops, and a few dozen full-length address will have been presented at roughly 75 meetings of the three organizations.

The NOMAS banner describes its organization as “pro-feminist, gay-affirmative, anti-racist, [and] enhancing men’s lives.” Its goal, mentioned at the end, seems an afterthought; its political agenda, given first, is clear. AMSA represents itself as “advancing the critical study of men and masculinities.” But what have these “critical studies” produced that has made a positive difference in the lives of boys and older males?

The bulk of NOMAS-related journal articles in Men and Masculinities are sociological studies. The Journal of Men’s Studies represents a wider range of disciplines, including psychology and religious studies. Perhaps 40 of the articles in all five journals take a psychological perspective. For that, one might go to the Psychology of Men and Masculinities, published by the American Psychological Association. The reader can easily sample the titles of the texts using database searches. An informal content analysis suggests that most of the material is of interest to those concerned with advocacy and selected subgroups of males. Precious little has to do with most males.

Forty years of men’s studies, then, is quite a long time and reflects many thousands of hours of discussions, panels and conferences, as well as the publications mentioned.

And yet there are now:

  • more men in prison than ever before (most are Black men) and, as the New Zealander, Celia Lashlie, has pointed out in The Journey to Prison, going to prison may have become for many boys the only meaningful rite of passage available to them.
  • Boys are committing suicide at five times the rate of girls and at an earlier age.
  • Boys regularly fail academically, repeat grades and are punished more often than girls in elementary and secondary schools.
  • Boys are expelled from high school in record numbers.
  • While overall there are more people going to college, young males are now a minority (40%) on college campuses and the trend points to a further decrease over the next 20 years, unless the hemorrhage is stopped.
  • Unemployment is now for the first time higher for men than for women, grossly exacerbated during the recent recession. especially for blue-collar workers.
  • Government grant monies at all levels devoted to the study of health problems (physical and emotional) unique to boys and older males is minimal compared to that allotted for female-unique health issues and general health problems both males and females suffer from.
  • Violence against men by men remains epidemic and exceeds that of violence against women.
  • international politics continue to require the service of American males in the military, yet this is taken for granted at home and those who die or are maimed are disregarded and sometimes even derided, even as the tendency to engage in war is naively declared to be evidence of a innate greater tendency toward aggressiveness in males.
  • Drug abuse is rampant among young males, much of it iatrogenic, with Ritalin and related drugs being used to quash the kineticism of boys in schools which are now geared to the learning styles of girls.
  • The spiritual life of young men has dimmed down as encounter with the meaning is associated with the feminine, despite the fact that the world religions have been founded by males;
  • The virtues of friendship between males have been forgotten and are read one-dimensionally by men and women . . .

…and—by now— if you are not aghast, I would wonder why.

In short, the lives of most males are increasingly toxic and unsatisfying, especially the very young and those who as baby-boomers, now in the fifth or sixth decade of their life, are heading toward retirement, if they can afford it, and if they have not died the standard six to seven years earlier than their female counterparts (in some countries males die 15 years earlier than females on average).

If you are reading this article, you already knew the data and trends catalogued. You have read about them regularly for years. Here I raise a related question: Why haven’t forty years of men’s studies informed policymakers to prevent the condition of boys and men from deteriorating as it has?

The question is meaningful since we study something because it concerns us and in order to understand it. Being pragmatic creatures, we usually hope that what we understand will be applied to improve our lot as a species. If an area of study—let us say one relating to physical health—had not in four decades produced gains for the health of its target population, we would rightly wonder whether the right questions directing the research had been asked.

This was the case with the psychoanalytic study of the psychoses in the middle of the 20th century. We now know these conditions to be the province of neuroscience. At this point, then, I think it is fair to ask a similar question about the area of research called “men’s studies.” What have these researchers been studying? Have they asked useful and meaningful questions?

Men’s studies have been carried out by men and women with doctorates who hold tenured positions in reputable departments at fine institutions of tertiary education in this country. These are certainly bright, highly educated, mostly male academics. Some are at the same time members of the faculties of gender studies programs and departments, some of which offer the terminal degree in this “field.” What is amiss and why is Male Studies compelling and necessary at this point?

For three years I have been a member of one of the organizations mentioned above (AMSA), where I have presented a paper or panel each year. This would seem to suggest that I am part of the problem, wouldn’t it? In a sense, that is a fair evaluation. But as a new kid on the block among those in the field, I plead innocent on the grounds that it has taken me a while to understand from the inside just what is going on in “men’s studies.”

As the reader has guessed, I am disappointed at what I have discovered. I have detected what I sense is an unaccountable cryptomisandry—a hidden, unacknowledged ambivalence or even dislike for males—in the field of “men’s studies.” It has been a stunning recognition to reckon with.

If I am right, what might this mean?

Before going further, I want to stress that almost to a man, the males I have met doing “men’s studies” are fine human beings and good men. They are decent, warm, welcoming, and serious about the issues the have focused on. Many began their careers in seminary or a religious vocation. Most have been keenly responsive to social causes such as racism and sexism—at least anti-female sexism. A great many are sociologists. They have been concerned with minority group rights and this is laudable. But what about most males?

Perhaps the most striking example of what I am calling cryptomisandry in “men’s studies” is the story of the most quoted authority in that field, Robert W. Connell, an Australian sociologist known for the book Masculinities.

Robert W. Connell is now Raewyn Connell.

I listened to Raewyn Connell speak at Wake Forest College two years ago at my first AMSA meeting.  He spoke on the global nature of questions of gender, but what was the message about the meaning of being (a) male to the predominantly male audience? There was no discussion about this remarkable and I would say courageous transformation, yet there should have been since it is intimately connected with the very idea of ‘men’s studies.’

A certain disavowal of the male was represented there before us. The symbolic interprets the real, we know, but in this case the real interpreted the symbolic.

Is a similar reaction to having a male body common to most male “men’s studies” researchers? That is not my impression. At that AMSA meeting, the masculinity worn by the members was conventional. These men speak lovingly of their wives and proudly of their sons and daughters. My last AMSA meeting could have been a meeting of the BPOE, the Benevolent Protective Order of Elks, with the unaccountable presence of a few females. There was much amiability, a few hugs and signs of affection. And yet the same emotional distance between males that “men’s studies” purports to examine and overcome was in evidence.

Recall that the field of “men’s studies” took root in the United States during a period that encompassed the surge of second-wave feminism in the late 1960s and the cruel final decade of the Viet Nam War, which ended in 1975. This, I suggest, has something to do with the attitude about being (a) male I sense in the voices of those who write the literature of men’s studies.

When I was in college, from 1964-68, there was a sharp division among males who were college-bound and those who were not. By 1966-67, those who were not college-bound were likely to have been drafted and sent off to Southeast Asia. I knew many of them. We had sat together on little wooden chairs in one of the eight classrooms in our ward’s elementary school in kindergarten during the early ‘50s. By 1964, when we graduated from the district high school, some of the boys went away, many of them never to be seen alive again.

When the boys I grew up with returned on leave or after a tour of duty, they saw those of us who had been exempted from military service as college students or seminarians as somehow less “a man” than they were. It is now forgotten that resentments were powerful within families and between former chums about this. “Men’s studies” originated during this time of conflicting versions of what it meant to be masculine originated, and I think this has as much to say about its mission and meaning as its relation to second-wave feminism.

Perhaps the most important group to think about in connection with my observations here are those who responded to unjustness of the war, as they had to areas of social injustice related first to race. Then came talk of injustice about one’s gender, particularly as it played out in a male’s self-identified sexual orientation. Would men’s studies have originated if the times had been different?

Early dissension in the field is another curious dimension of “men’s studies.” My assessment is that the more secular orientation of some members of the early group caused them to split off. Yet I think the same ambivalence or cryptomisandry I have suggested exists in that group of “men’s studies” researchers. This plays itself out in the form of a harsh indictment of male behavior, presumably derived exclusively from centuries of male privilege.

As someone who has been teaching at the college level since 1976, I wonder who the chief literary luminaries of secular “men’s studies” see out there? As college campuses lose more and more males, in another decade or two Professor Kimmel will not have “guys” to interview. Even now, though, I wonder about the sample he reports on that is said to represent most males. Most males, of course, are not in college.

They have not been privileged? Not at all. And this holds for older males, too, as Warren Farrell has been documenting for several decades now. He did this at first while he was the only male on the board of the National Organization of Women.

At the very least, “men’s studies” seems to be caught in a time warp. I wish those in the field well, but I suspect their research is out of focus. Pressing problems facing a vulnerable male population around the world require the rigor of the natural sciences, an understanding of history without the presumption of a conspiracy theory of male dominance, and an appreciation of what we must do, especially on behalf of our young males, without having first made them into yet another group of victims. Male Studies, a new academic discipline, will address the problems that face most males in a breathtakingly rapid time of social change.

Miles Groth is a professor of psychology at Wagner College, Editor of The International Journal of Men’s Health and Editor-in-Chief of Thymos: The Journal of Boyhood Studies.

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  • Eincrou

    If the purpose of Men’s Studies is to have bodies of work that can be presented to our “policymakers” (social engineers), then solutions can only arise at the mercy of their wisdom and altruism. In my opinion, begging society’s central planners to take notice of male issues and to divert resources into them is unlikely to be seriously listened to.

    The heart of the problem is having people in control of so many resources in the first place. Everybody is fighting to gain control and influence over the apparatus; each with their own self-interests. If emphasis was put on not allowing governments to guide the direction of society by forcing resources into specific areas and people, this cultural disaster we’re witnessing could eventually return to a peaceful equilibrium. The resources we could put up to promote justice among the sexes would not be instantly overwhelmed by governments funneling money into privileging women.

    This article laments Men’s Studies ineffectiveness over the past several decades. Whether or not it produces accurate information on male issues doesn’t matter if the social engineers don’t take on the task of bettering men. They obviously have not, and probably never will. I maintain that the most effective solution, and a proven solution, is to allow people to control their own lives. Remove artificial centrally-derived subsidy for ideas that don’t work, and disperse this power. When it becomes uneconomic for women to have antagonistic relations with men, things will improve.

  • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

    Eincrou:

    You’re putting the cart before the horse.

    1. Activists agitate for representation/fairness.
    2. Academic curiousity is aroused, and scientific data confirms the issue
    3. Activists point to said data, and demand politicians correct the problem.
    4. Politicians screw it up trying to look like the “most caring”.
    5. Activists agitate for redress in the imbalance created by recent lobbying effort…

    rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.

  • rohara

    The problem with the current “Men’s Studies” paradigm, if in reality it is even extant enough to be a paradigm, is that the discourse in and surrounding it is dominated by feminist ideology. It is essentially an extension of feminism. Feminist ideologues have been wildly successful in monopolizing the debate of all things gender and academia is only one place where they enjoy this condition, the media and government being other important examples.
    Asserting a male voice in the chorus of those talking about gender in academia will be exceptionally hard. That kind of control is not given up easily and it isn’t just the academics we have to worry about it is administration as well. Vast sums of money piped into our schools exclusively to help female students comes at the behest of the feminist narrative that women are, and have always been, oppressed and at a disadvantage. If any counter argument is heard in response to this ideology of victimhood then the money is in jeopardy and there are so many people in Higher Education who just won’t have it.

  • Eincrou

    @Factory:

    I’m not sure exactly what you meant when you said “cart before the horse”, but the rest of your comment is exactly the process I would like to see ended.

    Right now, the current view is that widespread female oppression is STILL CURRENTLY a problem, though you and I know it certainly isn’t and maybe never was. That’s the “problem” government has aligned itself toward somehow fixing. The people agitating, as you say, are never going to stop until they live like gods. Clearly, politicians are never going to say, “Enough. Your group has been given fairness, time to make your own way.” This fight will be endless and never conclude as long as the capability to control society is given to government. Somebody will always feel wronged and go whining to politicians to fix it. There is no universally agreed upon justice.

    I don’t want to have to fight every time somebody has a grand idea for how to run this or that aspect of society. Have government enforce individual’s rights and let these idealistic dreamers try to convince individual people their way is a good idea. I don’t want government shoving misandry down my throat, even though they have decided that it’s a “good” idea.

  • Joe

    Mr. Groth,

    While I agree with your point about the fact that there is not enough effort to address the issues faced by men, I would argue that the approach you advocate is going in exactly the wrong direction. Men’s studies has not achieved all that it could because there has not been nearly enough effort devoted to it. Men’s studies, in both my interpretation and experience, creates space for men to challenge the traditional aspects of masculinity that we dislike and do not serve us, while at the same time creating space for other types of masculinity–both new and that we already have in us–that will be more beneficial. The real issue for men is how harmful aspects of traditional masculinity make us more prone to violence, less able to deal with our problems constructively, less likely to go to the doctor, and a host of other issues. Only by jettisoning these outdated idea of what it means to be a man and embracing healthier versions of masculinity will we be able to really progress.

    The real issue in college education, for instance, is not that resources are being devoted to women–most schools have hardly any resources devoted to women compared to men. In my college experience, and working with college students now, I see that most men don’t work nearly as hard in school as women. They drink more, study less, and assume that because they’re men things will work out. All of those are things that traditional masculinity encourages–alcohol consumption, anti-intellectualism, etc. Historically women have worked twice as hard to get half as far, and now that they’re able to get a little farther they’re still working hard. Men often (again, in my experience, not to say all men) aren’t.

    Most of what I see on the pages of this website seems to be trying to convince men that we need to return to some mythical earlier era when “men were men.” I like feminism, and my understanding of it has clearly enhanced my life. I want the women I care about to have equal pay, to not be the victims of violence, and to have all of the opportunities that I have. All of that only benefits men, and I have never met a feminist who I would describe as hating men. In fact, most really do care about men and want to help us achieve our potential, and we often respond by lashing out or ignoring them. Not a lot of sense in that response.

    Finally, I found your reaction to Ms. Cornell inappropriate. Transgender people do not decide to transition as an act of political or social protest, as you seem to suggest. Do you honestly believe someone would go through such an arduous process, open themselves up to (unfortunately still legal) discrimination and harassment, just to make a point? And your repeated use of the male pronoun he to describe a woman is disrespectful, and seems deliberately so, though I hope it was merely a typo. Also, are you trying to suggest that women and transgender individuals should not be allowed to participate in the study of men and masculinity? Please take the time to educate yourself about transgender issues more.

    In closing, I find much more misandry in the writings and attitudes that try to hold me back and force me into an antiquated, inappropriate and harmful masculinity such as I all to often find on this website. I don’t see it in men’s studies at all; they’re actually the ones trying to help.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Joe said….

  • Most of what I see on the pages of this website seems to be trying to convince men that we need to return to some mythical earlier era when “men were men.”
  • Huh?

    Based on these comments I doubt quite seriously if you have ever even read MND.

    If your assertion is that MND is all about bringing John Wayne back from the dead…this is proof beyond doubt you are sadly — and willfully — mistaken.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Joe

    Do you remember the scene in Cat Ballou where Lee Marvin took a wild drunken aim at shooting the side of a barn fifty feet away, and missed?

  • pj1

    @ Joe. To claim feminist’s “like men and care about our well being” is absurd. Feminist’s don’t care about the overall welfare of men, they care about more privilege for women, and expect men to join in lockstep support as soon as they get what they want. Not one shred of feminism today is about equality, it has been overrun with provocateurs who enjoy entitlement.

    @ Joe again: Also your notion that women work twice as hard as men is bunk. I suggest opening wikipedia sometime and work on familiarizing yourself with some history. Maybe read “1984″ while your at as well…

  • Tim

    @Joe,

    “Why haven’t forty years of men’s studies informed policymakers to prevent the condition of boys and men from deteriorating as it has?”

    Don’t you think this is a worthwhile question, Joe?

    “What have these researchers been studying? Have they asked useful and meaningful questions?”

    Well Joe, have they?

    Nice job setting up a strawman, making it appear proponents of Male Studies are nothing but neanderthals and misogynists. Thanks a lot for all your help, Joe!

  • Andrew14

    Thank you, Prof Goth. Your writings and contributions mean so very much to me…

  • http://www.angryharry.com Harry

    @Joe

    “Historically women have worked twice as hard to get half as far,”

    You’re kidding right?

    It is only very recently that women have been dragooned into competing with men.

    I don’t want to be rude, but you clearly have no idea of how hard *men* in the past had to work in order to compete with other men; often forever denigrated by their wives and children for not having done quite enough to bring in the bacon and/or keep up with the neighbours.

    Furthermore, the evidence is quite clear that when it came to the world of employment outside the home, most women had no intention or desire to be there.

    This feminist myth that women were being held back by men is nonsense.

    Sure, it was hard for a woman to get to the top of anything.

    Guess what?

    It was the same for men.

    e.g. see, …

    http://www.angryharry.com/esDidWomenReallyWantToGoOutToWork.htm

  • trashed

    Poor Joe…

    A pedal sewing machine, in a digital world…

  • Red0660

    First I’d like to thank you for your assessment for the need of Male Studies. I posted the below message the other day on another post and having gotten 8 thumbs up the last time I checked I would hope that the message resonates with you. I really believe in what we are doing.

    I’ve been trying to figure this whole thing out and actually started my blog on my own without knowing there WERE SO MANY OTHERS OUT THERE WHO FELT THAT SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT WITH THE MALE CONDITION. I FIRST FELT THIS WAY AFTER TAKING MY WOMEN’S STUDIES COURSE AND REALIZED THAT THEIR GENERAL ETHOS HAD EXTENDED IT’S TENTACLES DEEPLY INTO THE CULTURAL EXPERIENCE…

    I’d like to share my blog with you at REBUKINGFEMINISM.BLOGSPOT.COM. It will give you an idea of my own experiences. It is interesting to look at the blogosphere to learn more about the male experience. I have spoken and I have links to others who are doing so… Feel free to visit.

    On to the post from the other day……
    —————————————

    I do love many things about women and I don’t hate them BUT……

    Females by nature are gynocentric, they don’t look after the well-being of males like males do for them. They are masters at manipulation, it is how they survive.

    They have managed to convince men that we are in power because we do the work for them… Her ability to make us believe the opposite of reality exemplifies her tremendous abilities of manipulation, power and control..

    Women know this about other women and many don’t get along with women because of it.. Women can only deceive males this way. I get the impression (as if TV, media and popular culture isn’t enough example) that women have really lost respect for men, fathers and our place in society..

    Female authority is not so kind, not so protective and provisional, women look down on men because we have given them all of our power….

    I honestly think the only thing keeping this whole charade going is the ability of females to convince us that they are hard done by and oppressed.

    The reality of the male health and well-being is stark.

    –When you look at why men as a whole of the population earn more than women you find that it is not oppression of women but quite the opposite that drives males and often forces them by law to produce or face a jail sentence. The sacrifice of the male body and the fruits of its labor to women is mandatory.

    –When you look at his life expectancy as compared to women in 1920 and then now you realize there is a problem.

    –When you look at male workforce participation, male voting participation, male suicide rates, male incarceration rates, male college attendance, male disenfranchisement from a place in the family and as a father to our children you realize that men hold very little power at all. Increasingly I feel the only place men have to work in fairness with each other is in sports and video games.

    The truth is that women in fact own their own bodies and the fruits of it’s labor, they own the body of children and they own the body of men and the fruits of its labor outside of marriage after divorce.

    May I mention that although the Stimulus Package was diverted to create jobs for women (See article No Country For Burly Men by Christina Hoff Sommers) it is men like my brother who have to produce for women or face high interest payments and jail time if they do not produce. My brother’s unemployment is currently being garnished to provide for a woman that left him in no-fault and the child she took from him.

    The position and status of men as compared to women is clearly one of servitude and powerlessness.

    –Competitive and resource reward based learning models have been mostly if not entirely replaced with cooperative learning models in our schools.

    –Equal opportunity for competitive advantage and a fair playing field for men in the public sphere and in business is being removed from men day by day in favor of Title IX, Affirmative Action and other “women first” policies such as hiring and promotion freezes for males so as to fill “equality quotas” for females. Males are being handicapped, discriminated against and suffer from unequal protection under law.

    I’m hoping for a great male awakening! The new initiative to create Male Studies programs (OnStep.org) & (MaleStudies.org) gives me hope for change in the male condition, our health, well-being and the prospect of restoring and enfranchising males to have and seek an honorable place in society and in the family.

  • Chris

    @Joe

    Joe Joe Joe

    I’d like to take out a can of Texas whoop ass and “school ya” about these twisted notions of traditional masculinity, but you would (rightly) see that as reinforcing your views.
    So, I drag out my “Feminist Tripple A+ rated acceptable gender discourse terms thesaurus” and (ah forget that) try and reason with you.

    The primary (and there are many, well past where I even know the words, secondary, tertiary, does it get to “hundredary”)problem is that you see your view AS the revolutionary view. Its a chivalry derived position that works at the base of the teen male brian to tell him to say to girls, “look at me Im not like other guys”. Some men don’t outgrow it.

    Your points ARE the meme du jour, and “du yesterday”. From Fathers day lectures and sermons, to the bulk majority of what passes for gender discourse, the men that THINK they are cutting edge (Hellow Joe Biden and welcome) are , well, dull.

    Biden stands in solidarity with you friend if you are not him. His latest idiotic rant about how men that “don’t have a strong woman” around are in his word skittish. We are not the least bit bothered by “strong women”, nor are we the least bit interested in dominating ANY women, with as someone put it, John Wayne esque comportment.

    Converse to your assertions, its your misguided view, which somehow still stokes the fundamental revolutionary fire we all may have felt in heady university days (daze) and convinces you are are working for good change. You and yours ARE the problem because there are enough of you that you sell a product that women buy. Our product is ice to Eskimos so to speak.

  • SingleDad

    In the pre-civil war South, when slaves, mainly men, had a Joe (Biden?)in their midst they called them “Uncle Tom”. Mangina will not be used in public. We need a name for the Joe’s of the world because these are the shock troops, the SS of the feminist army. I am convinced it is them that will fight us most vociferously, we must defeat them first. I have shown, through my posts, I can’t write. Could someone please help us with just the right word that will let “everyman” know what he has become when he becomes employed in the enslavement of his fellow man by supporting the feminist war on men and boys?

  • rohara

    “Men’s studies has not achieved all that it could because there has not been nearly enough effort devoted to it. Men’s studies, in both my interpretation and experience, creates space for men to challenge the traditional aspects of masculinity that we dislike and do not serve us, while at the same time creating space for other types of masculinity–both new and that we already have in us–that will be more beneficial.”

    Both the effort put into by academe and your experience must be as miniscule and token as the program itself. This renders this statement totally irreverent.

    “The real issue for men is how harmful aspects of traditional masculinity make us more prone to violence,”
    Women are violent too but rarely is anything done about it.
    “less able to deal with our problems constructively,”

    Men are not only charged with solving their own problems but those of women and children as well. We have been very constructive in doing so. It is called civilization.

    “less likely to go to the doctor,”

    Millions of public and private dollars have been spent on raising “awareness” of various female health related problems like breast cancer that encourage women to get, for example, mammograms. Not two pennies of government money in the U.S. has been spent on any such campaign to get men to see a doctor once a year.

    “and a host of other issues.”

    Do tell.

    “Only by jettisoning these outdated idea of what it means to be a man and embracing healthier versions of masculinity will we be able to really progress.”

    Masculinity, like femininity is something that simply is, like gravity or light. There are not different versions of it that we can subscribe to like newspapers.

    “The real issue in college education, for instance, is not that resources are being devoted to women–most schools have hardly any resources devoted to women compared to men.”

    This is patently absurd! Please read my article on men and education here:
    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/04/15/the-marvelous-mr-murphy-and-other-anecdotes-from-my-education/

    “In my college experience, and working with college students now, I see that most men don’t work nearly as hard in school as women. They drink more, study less, and assume that because they’re men things will work out. All of those are things that traditional masculinity encourages–alcohol consumption, anti-intellectualism, etc.”

    This is nothing but bold faced bigotry. School, at all levels, has been made specifically uninteresting and irrelevant to the male student. Female students drink EVERY BIT AS MUCH as male students and I would say even more if for no other reason than we do not hold women to the same degree of accountability for their drunken debauchery.

    “Historically women have worked twice as hard to get half as far, and now that they’re able to get a little farther they’re still working hard. Men often (again, in my experience, not to say all men) aren’t.”

    I think Harry (see below) addressed this quite nicely.

    “I want the women I care about to have equal pay, to not be the victims of violence, and to have all of the opportunities that I have.”

    Women do not work as many hours as men nor take the same risks as men do while at work. Virtually all workplace deaths are suffered by men. The rate of male victimization of violence is far far greater than that of women. Women have every bit the opportunity to work themselves to death as men do and have an option that men do not have: the option to have a man work for them.

    “All of that only benefits men, and I have never met a feminist who I would describe as hating men. In fact, most really do care about men and want to help us achieve our potential, and we often respond by lashing out or ignoring them. Not a lot of sense in that response.”

    You, sir, have a cognition problem as well as a reading comprehension problem.

    “Finally, I found your reaction to Ms. Cornell inappropriate. Transgender people do not decide to transition as an act of political or social protest, as you seem to suggest. Do you honestly believe someone would go through such an arduous process, open themselves up to (unfortunately still legal) discrimination and harassment, just to make a point? And your repeated use of the male pronoun he to describe a woman is disrespectful, and seems deliberately so, though I hope it was merely a typo. Also, are you trying to suggest that women and transgender individuals should not be allowed to participate in the study of men and masculinity? Please take the time to educate yourself about transgender issues more.”

    I must say that I agree with you whole heartedly that transgendered people do not decide how they are. I have friends who are transgendered and they had no more say in their gender identity problems any more than people have a say in their sexual orientation. I applaud you pointing this out. However, Dr. Groth was simply pointing out the rather conspicuous fact that the person who is at the head of the Men’s Studies discipline is someone, with all due respect, who has had male identity problems. Something to take note of indeed!

    “In closing, I find much more misandry in the writings and attitudes that try to hold me back and force me into an antiquated, inappropriate and harmful masculinity such as I all to often find on this website. I don’t see it in men’s studies at all; they’re actually the ones trying to help.”

    Again, as pointed out below reading comprehension problem.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2010/04/24/male-studies-symposium-video/ Male Studies Symposium Video | Sex+Metropolis

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  • http://dudester5.wordpress.com/ Don

    Read “Opposites as Equals” by Richard Driscoll

  • undrgrndgirl

    while i don’t agree with everything you said…i will say that i agree to a large extent that misandry IS at the heart of a lot of cultural studies…however, one probably needs to keep in mind that herstory and ethnic studies are more a reaction to elite white male hegemony, rather than an overall hatred of men in general which i doubt even you can deny. that said i have come to loathe the portrayal of men in popular culture as immature, stupid, sex crazed, alcohol addled dolts, but unfortunately i know a lot of men that aspire to be just that…i am also put off by the race, gender, class dichotomy that permeates higher education these days…to me it just keeps up the us v. them mentality that is destroying the world…






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