Immigration 3.0

2010-05-30
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A few thoughts, that will probably get me lynched, on the immigration of Mexicans:

Immigration is not something Mexico did to the United States, but something the United States did to itself. Decades ago it changed its laws to favor Latin immigrants, gives immigrant children born in the US citizenship, avidly employs the ilegals, forbids police to check their papers, give them social services and schooling, establishes “sanctuary cities,” and in general does everything but send them engraved invitations. And then expresses surprise when they come.

We hear endlessly that Mexicans are “taking the jobs of Americans.” Not quite. Reflect that every time a Mexican gets a job, it is because a shiny white noisily patriotic American businessman gives him that job.

I could take you to whole restaurants in the metropolitan area of Washington, DC, where if I yelled, “Migra!,” the entire staff would disappear out the back door. The owners know perfectly well who they are hiring. Mexicans are easily recognized. They are brown and speak Spanish. Businessmen do not hire them despite their being illegals, but because they are illegals, and therefore cheap.

I always find amusing the claims of love of country and civic responsibility that emanate from businessmen. These frauds will, and do, send American jobs to China, to make a buck. They will, and do, hire Indian programmers to replace more expensive American programmers. They will, and do, sweat children in Indonesian factories to make a buck. And they will hire illegals. If they didn’t, there would be no illegals.  They come to work. No work, no come.

‘Nuther topic: I suspect that not one American in twenty has even heard of the Mexican-American War, and maybe one in a couple of hundred can distinguish between the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidlago and, say, the Treaty of Westphalia. Mexicans know that in that war the US simply grabbed half their country, to include little places like, you know, California. The attitude of Americans, if they were told of this war, predictably would be, “Oh. Well, that was some other time, whenever. Tell them to like, get over it.” But Mexicans are not over it. Countless towns and cities have a Calle or Avenida Ninos Heroes commemorating the children who marched out, like the cadets of VMI in another example of Washington’s aggression, to try to stop the oncoming federals.

Don’t expect a lot of sympathy when Mexicans move back into what they regard as theirs in the first place.

Speaking of getting over it, the US will sooner or later will have to entertain the idea of getting over Latin immigration. Allowing the immigration in the first place was a terrible idea, since diversity regularly proves disastrous, but now there is precious little to be done about it. Nativist fantasies notwithstanding, the US is not going to round up thirteen (give or take) million people at gunpoint and force them across the border. If it doesn’t do this, few illegals will  leave.

I encounter all manner of fury from conservatives at the idea of granting amnesty to the ilegals. Rounding them up is the very thing, they figure. How do you round up thirteen million people who don’t want to be rounded up?

Perhaps at three a.m. you put a lightning cordon of Marines around a ten-block region and then go house to house, kicking in doors and dragging screaming people out. These you would throw into sealed eighteen-wheelers, drive them to the nearest border, and perhaps literally kick them across. Most of the children would be American citizens, but not Mexican. The idea of deporting a couple of million US citizens to a foreign country is fascinating.

Note that large and growing numbers of Hispanics are American citizens. (“Hispanics” are people who speak Spanish, which growing numbers of these folk don’t, but never mind.) In several states Latinos are a majority. Their children rise through the schools toward voting age. Politicians being politicians, legislatures in these states will find it difficult to deport a group when over half the voting population is of that group. That leaves the feds, who do not seem energized by the matter. Short of a Nazi-style war of extermination or forced depuration, America is going to have a very sizable population of Latino origin.

Adding to the complexity is that the country is far from united in wanting mass deportation. As I understand it, some two-thirds of the US wants illegal immigration ended, which means sealing the border. But this is a very different thing from massive expulsion of those already in the country. Laws of the sort recently passed in Arizona may have some effect, but, again, most will remain.

While few will care, it is of perhaps minor interest that after ’48 (the year of both Westphalia and Guadalupe-Hidalgo) a large number of Mexicans, and thus their descendants, became American citizens. These people have been Americans longer than, say, anyone whose ancestors arrived in the great immigrant waves around 1900.

Now, a reasonable question might be, “OK, Fred, what would you do?”  If I had the power, I would seal the border to stop the influx, declare blanket amnesty for those already in the country, and get on with life. Part of “getting on” would be to encourage assimilation since the last thing the US needs is another indigestible and permanent underclass.

Note (as I have never seen noted) that keeping them ilegal forces them into something close to an underclass. If Pablo wants to start a restaurant or auto-bodywork business, he can’t, because he will be asked for papers and eventually shut down.

The country seems to be trying to cause what it most doesn’t want. Some state or other wants to stop letting the children of ilegals attend school. Oh, good. Let’s create a population of angry illiterates who can’t possibly be assimilated. What could be wiser?

The underlying problem is that no solution, or attempted solution, has enough support to get put into effect. Business wants the labor, politicians eye the vote, polls show young Americans as being much less worried about the whole question than their elders.

Conservatives—those, anyway, who are not profiting by immigration—talk of putting the military along the border, but support seems lacking. On Fox News I see people urging the characteristic American solution: high-tech this and that. Anyone with experience with dispersed guerrillas will see the prospects of success. A lot of liberals think immigration is heart-warming and all.

As is so commonly the case in semi-democracies, whatever might work is politically impossible, and whatever is politically possible won’t work.

What now, gang?

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  • NoSurrenderToMexico

    1) Obama, Bush, Clinton have refused to seal the border and the airports and the expired visas

    2) Alan Greenspan on March 13, 2007 said Americans need to be
    replaced with cheaper foreign nationals
    SEE: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/197084-1
    Then advance video to
    1 hour 33 minutes 20 seconds and
    watch for the next 3 minutes

    3) E-verify, if done properly, and enforced, would reduce the
    magnet. You cannot work here if you are here illegally.
    Remove this magnet and self-deportation occurs IF
    welfare and other programs are refused to foreign nationals
    here illegally.

    BTW, I am an American…
    I do not sit on a reservation isolating myself from the country
    I do not accept being called a Nativist
    I am not a Mestizo but they are my European brothers and sisters
    NOT BEING HIRED because I am not Latino…is racist
    NOT BEING HIRED because I am not FRAUDULENTLY documented is INSANE

  • criolle johnny

    I do have to take issue with one part of this article. The rest is opinion, to which Fred is entitled.
    IMMIGRATION LAW did not give “immigrant children born in the US citizenship”. That privilege, no that RIGHT, is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which was enacted in response to Black Codes enacted in the Reconstruction South after the War Between the States.
    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are CITIZENS (caps mine) of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” July 9, 1868
    They may be “anchor babies”, but they are U.S. citizens. Mommy and Daddy can go back to their country of origin, or go to hell for all I care.
    Those children are our citizens and may not be denied ” … within its jurisdiction the equal protection of its laws.”
    Bright Blessings

  • Matt

    “In several states Latinos are a majority.” I did some checking on Wikipedia:
    Not in California.
    Not in Nevada.
    Not in Arizona.
    Not in New Mexico (NM was highest at 45% Hispanic. This figure includes Hispanics of ALL races, including White).
    Not in Texas.
    Not in Florida, despite the sizable Cuban population.

    So, which ones Fred? Vermont? North Dakota? Alaska?

  • squiggy

    Two main responses, Fred.

    1). Americans DO NOT have a problem with Americans “of Mexican descent”. We have problem with “Mexican-Americans”. If the American part comes first, they are welcome. Though we would like them to speak English, at least a little.

    2). There does not need to be mass deportations. If we were to make it a felony to hire ANY illegal alien it wouldn’t take six months before they all self-deported.

  • The Man On The Street

    “I encounter all manner of fury from conservatives at the idea of granting amnesty to the ilegals. Rounding them up is the very thing, they figure. How do you round up thirteen million people who don’t want to be rounded up?”

    Uhm, we did it (wrongfully) to the Japanese didn’t we? And they were (MOST) LEGALLY here.

    Also, you blind the lines between ILLEGALS and LEGALS. Big effing difference. Oh, and the “blame the conservatives” schtick is quite old…

    TMOTS

  • zevgoldman

    MND is my first read of the day but this misguided effort should never have been placed on the site.

    It’s implication that white conservative males are the only people who hire illegal aliens and Indian IT workers or send jobs off shore is pure liberal propoganda. One’s sex and race have nothing to do with those decisions. Greed and criminality are the motivations, not being white, male or conservative.

    The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidlago was the result of a dictatorship losing a war to a representative republic. In fact the land Fred refers to as being stolen was land that Mexico claimed after the Mexican Revolution against Spain. That land had been taken with force from the native inhabitants by the Spanish for three centuries. Those inhabitants fared better under the Americans than they did under the Spanish or the Mexicans and their extended progeny continue to do so.

    A cursory reading of the history of Texas clearly reveals that many Mexicans fought for the independence of Texas rather than live under the dictatorship in Mexico City. From Fred’s writing I must assume he prefers that people live udner a dictatorship rather than free themselves from the control of an absolute ruler.

    Fred is free to express his opinion but this opinion is best shouted from a roof top in a high wind so that no one is aware of it for to do otherwise is for someone to reply with certainty; “You’re full of *&^#, Fred.”

  • Ken

    The people that come here are working class laborers who can make 3 times the money in the US for doing the same work. They’re not interested in citizenship and have little national pride either way. The people making all the fuss are “open border” and latino activist groups; Hispanics who’re already citizens by birth looking to expand their numbers and power base. If you granted amnesty to Mexicans already here they wouldn’t completely understand it, be suspicious of it or wouldn’t be interested in it. They rather like flying beneath the radar here, with always having the option to go home and live if living in the US becomes too much trouble. I speak with illegal aliens and ask them. That’s what everyone should do. GO to the source, understand the problem.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ zevgoldman

    One of the things that I have always liked about MND is that it is a variety of voices. I think this piece belongs here, even if as a trigger to scream bullsh*t from the mountaintop.

    I think there are many flaws in Fred’s perspective on this one. This includes the fact that Eisenhower had illegals scrambling to get back across the border as hard and fast as they could go without having to round that many up. All they had to do was seriously believe he was going to come after them, which he was.

    Yes, lots of flaws in Fred’s thinking here about Mexicans, which probably should be expected from an embittered ex pat who moved to Mexico after becoming enamored with the people there.

    Except, when it comes to the core of this piece, Fred Reed has it nailed good and proper. Lest we get lost in dissent of minutia, it can not really be argued that most all Mexicans come here to be employed by English speaking Americans who want cheap labor and don’t care whether the workers are documented. In fact, being in Houston, I have known more than my share of employers whose chief recruitment tool was a long bed pick up truck.

    The fact that most of these people are white and male is just Fred’s sideshow here, and not really germane to the point, which is about money.

    But it is true, nonetheless.

  • PolishKnight

    Fred is smug and arrogant here. Let’s start out with his claim we’re going to “lynch” him for his opinions. Naw. Now if he were to say something offensive in Mexico, the police would plant drug evidence on him and lock him up for a decade before letting him call a lawyer.

    Next, he makes the racist, offensive claim that “Reflect that every time a Mexican gets a job, it is because a shiny white noisily patriotic American businessman gives him that job” So apparently, no businesses that hire illegals are run by non-whites and non “noisy” patriots.

    He claims that the USA sends a mixed message as if all Americans are acting in perfect unison. He probably wouldn’t allow a generalization that illegals are one massive, homogeneous blob of people that all think and act the same way yet he broadly generalizes about Americans and then blames them for “mixed messages.” Balderdash.

    It’s not the fault of Americans for having social programs, jobs, etc. that brought illegals. This is a clear example of blaming the victim. Desire and temptation are not a legal right to break the law. It’s not banks’ fault that they have money and robbers want to break in. Or car thieves blaming their victims for having nice cars.

    Finally, one of the rationalizations for illegal immigration is that it’s the USA’s fault that their home countries they are fleeing stick so they have a right to go wherever they like. Fine. How about Canada? Or Britain? Why aren’t they rolling out the welcome mats? And this whole argument assumes that it’s the USA’s fault that their countries stink and that we should let them do the same here. Mexico certainly would look favorably on undocumented whites with guns crossing the border and forcing their customs down their throats.

    What now? Fred. All hell is about to break loose. If you enjoy heart bleeding, you’re in for the ride of your life.

  • Mike S.

    Fred’s been the BMOC (the cool guy that all the other expats want to hang with) in Guadalahara for so long that his cultural inversion has become as blurred and criss-crossed as the border he’s talking about. I’ve also noticed that the older he gets, the more filled with acute liberal white guilt his articles have become. Would you believe he used to be a columnist for the weekly newspapers put out by the U.S. military?

  • NotNOW

    FAIL

  • Ken

    Fred left the USA for a better life in Mexico.
    The word “IRONY” comes to mind.
    I assume he’s there legally, but I’d still like to see his papers, por favor.

  • moebius22

    I’m all in favor of blanket amnesty as long as you have penalties in the range of $10,000.

    I’m in favor of sealing the border and continuing the fence- but there doesn’t even seem to be consensus on that.

    Moreover, this doesn’t even address the fact that as long as Americans want cheap produce, nannies, lawn workers, and small business cheap workers they may still find a way over anyway.]

    The only reasonable solution is to execute a legal worker program.

    I just find this morally repugnant (as the current illegal slave labor force)that we are legalizing the use of a slave labor force that will still bring more illegals, becuase “changed its laws to favor Latin immigrants, gives immigrant children born in the US citizenship, avidly employs the illegals, forbids police to check their papers, give them social services and schooling, establishes “sanctuary cities”.






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