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Why So Much Harsher toward Men?

2010-07-23
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A recent 2008 Gallup poll in Great Britain finds that 33% of women “often or very often” feel resentful of men, compared to 14% of men who often feel resentful of women.  So fully a third of women carry with them an ongoing resentment toward their opposites, as compared to about a sixth of men.   By my own careful calculations, that is a truckload of anger.

Most men are so involved with the accusations and with the anger itself, the harm it does, and the unfairness of it all, that we seem to miss a fundamental question.  Just where does such a truckload of anger come from?   Is it simply an unfortunate and unintended outcome of our modern culture?  Are women treated worse than men?  Or is it somehow programmed into human nature?  I suggest that women are naturally more inclined to condemn their opposites, and perhaps more surprisingly, that men themselves are harsher toward men than toward women.

Men Are More Stressed in Arguments

Researcher John Gottman at the University of Washington observes couples arguing, and measures pulse rate, blood pressure, and related stress indicators.  He finds that men are more stressed, intimidated, and emotionally overwhelmed than women, and tend to concede, placate, or withdraw.  “In the sea of conflict,” notes Gottman, “men sink and women swim.”  Men are not blindfolded and gagged in arguments with women— it just seems that way.

Women, in contrast, are more comfortable in personal arguments and are more inclined to air their grievances.  “I have become increasingly angry,” comments Gloria Steinem, “as the alternative is depression.”  Anger for this feminist pioneer seems to be an emotional elixir, which most men find truly incomprehensible.

Innate Tendencies

Gottman and other relationship researchers note that women are more emotionally combative, but leave the “why” question unasked.  The workings of natural selection are apparent from even a brief glance through modern evolutionary principles.

Sexual interest is higher in young males across all cultures, primitive or modern, and across the vast array of animal species as well.  Those who invest less in each offspring, meaning males, stand to benefit genetically by multiple matings, while those who invest more in each offspring do well to go slowly, choose carefully, and gain the maximum benefit from each mating.

Insistence has been a viable tactic for women, to test the strength of a commitment, while a reluctance to offend has been a more viable tactic for men, who must rely on women to transport their genes into the next generation.  Nature selects for women who are more comfortable in arguments and willing to insist, and for men who make allowances and try to avoid offending.

Chivalrous Standards

We hear little of chivalry, and some consider it nothing more than a flimsy folk-tale.  Yet human passions are highly chivalrous, supporting women and protecting them from men who might harm them.

An illustration or two should suffice.  A man and a woman are in a nightclub, and quarrel.  If he throws an ounce of whiskey at her, it is clearly an assault, and an undercover policeman would arrest him on the spot and jail him.  If she throws a splash of whiskey at him, it is merely a rebuff or perhaps an expression of exasperation.   Who would want to jail her?  Surely, anyone who did would not be welcome back at the nightclub.  Men who understand women gain their admiration, and perhaps their sexual favors as well, whereas men who oppose and offend women are treated accordingly.

We are not chivalrous simply because men are physically stronger.  A Justice survey asked men and women to judge the seriousness of various transgressions.  If a man stabbing a woman to death with a knife is rated a 10, meaning truly heinous and indeed unforgivable, then a woman stabbing a man to death with a knife is rated only a 6, meaning surely serious but perhaps understandable under the circumstances.  Why so?

Men have been expected to protect women, and the lowlife who knifes a woman is hardly a man at all.  On the other hand, a woman who just whacked her mate is still very much a woman, and furthermore, she may be quite available, although a tad risky.  A man who understands her situation gains her favor, and may join with her to sire rug-rats with similarly understanding attitudes.

Men who catch a few blows file police complaints only a tenth as often as do battered women, and so seldom come to our attention.  Here again, our public conduct follows our genetic interests. What sort of fool would hand his wife over to the men in authority and probably lose her, just because she takes a swing or two? A woman, on the other hand, must count on a man for her safety, and she benefits from punishing the reckless egotist who goes too far over the line.

Chivalrous Chimps

Chivalrous alliances are seen among various social animals, including chimpanzees.  In one incident, an offended female chimp calls upon a male companion for assistance.  Using high-pitched barks, she points toward her assailant with her whole hand (rather than just a finger), at the same time kissing her companion and patting him. As her pleas become more insistent, he charges out to battle her antagonist while she stands by and watches approvingly.  Thus is rescued another damsel in distress, and her champion becomes the hero of the hour.  Call him Champ Chimpski.

Chivalry is a social imperative, and Champ here acts to uphold an unspoken standard of justice. Like a real man, although a shave short in stature and light on brain power, he enforces one of our highest and noblest moral callings. He stands by fair maiden, and uses his power to punish the beastly bastard who has so callously offended her.

A chimp such as Champ who supports the damsel may gain opportunities to mate with her later, while one who refuses his support will also be remembered and treated accordingly. And so too among our own. Men who uphold women against offending men gain their respect, and perhaps their favors, while men who refuse women lose out. So nature programs men to support women in distress and to stand strongly against the dastardly scumbags who cross them.

Chivalrous Custody

A general policy of equal parenting rights for both parents improves marital stability, reduces animosities between parents who do separate, benefits the children and makes a separation easier on them, and allows custody lawyers a much needed respite from their demanding legal work loads.  When fathers want to remain involved, we might figure that joint custody would be a no-brainer.

Yet we have two competing standards here.  Surely, we want what is best for the children.  But chivalry is programmed strongly into the human animal, and we feel that it is highly moral to uphold women and to punish the men who wrong them.  So the judge tends to side with the woman in her hour of greatest need.  His inner Champ Chimpski charges in to support the fair damsel in distress and to punish the worthless lowlife who has wronged her.

Chivalrous Lenses

Human culture appears to be naturally chivalrous, supporting women against offending men, more than it is sexist, as is commonly claimed, supporting men against women.  Why do so many believe otherwise?

We are now expected to compliment women on their multiple talents and many achievements, while it is considered sexist and terribly improper to notice limitations or moral failings.  And it is now somewhat improper to honor men for any special strengths and virtues, as it can offend women, while it is conspicuously commonplace to condemn men for the many ways men mistreat women.  So social propriety exaggerates some facets and conceals others, yielding a highly biased impression of men and women.

” A man defending husbands vs. wives or men vs. women
has got about as much chance as a traffic policeman
trying to stop a mad dog by blowing two whistles.”

-Ring Lardner

An Innate Mechanism

Chivalrous standards are harsher toward men than toward women.   It is not merely a matter of cultural happenstance, which could go the other way just as easily.  Women are born to expect something for their favors, and men are born to support those who can carry their genes into the next generation.  Innate inclinations contribute to our chivalrous standards, and harsher treatment towards men serves to enforce those standards.

Innate leanings do not mean that something cannot be changed, only that passions run high and must be managed.   Advocates for more equal treatment for men wrestle against a chivalrous moral imperative that most of the population hardly knows exists.  We should wish them well.

Adapted from “You Still Don’t Understand” by drD and Nancy Ann Davis.

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  • Mickey T

    @ Boringusrname

    Good analysis.

    Now enter feminism, which makes them ever so independant of men, and they are really pissed off.

    Can you imagine the internal struggle the poor girls have to go through?

  • boringusrname

    The reason for the anger is simple, women are programmed to constantly want more. It is a fundemental part of there nature. Every woman is a black hole of need, money, status, attention, you name it they always want more. But they lack the ability to get more on there own, that is why they are attracted to men. Women see men as a means of temperarally sating thier need for more. The resentment comes from the fact that no man can fill up what is bottemless. And for the record, all of them feel that way, it is just that the 1/3 are the ones who are the poorest at hiding it.

  • Mickey T.

    Let’s not forget the old fashioned way, get a man to support them. Although feminism is almost exclusivly one step thinking, they know the no tight rope without a net concept.

    “turn and walk away” “this not my problem”

    We wish. Changing the nature of men is not a realistic goal. They will always be our responsibilty, and they know that as well. As “independent” as they ever become, they will always use the “damsel in in distress” routine if need be.

  • mongo

    “The Salem witch burnings took a heavy toll on women at about the same time. Not a lot of hard-wired chivalry going on there.”

    Uhm… Mongo… Might want to check your facts… A TOTAL of 20 people were hung during the witch trials… None by burning at the stake. Oh, and a tid-bit typically missed is that 7 were men.

    My bad. My point wasn’t to raise sympathy for a handful of women – I only need to mention The Battle of the Somme to find counter examples of men being persecuted by the millions. The fact is, men have put women to the sword before, and they’ve done it unhesitatingly. We are not rendered helpless by any need to protect women – anyone who can remember life only 40 years ago knows how much influence culture has. It is enormous. Governments couldn’t skim paychecks for child support back then – the very idea would have had all of us in uproar. In 1950s Britain, Ruth Ellis was hanged for shooting her boy-friend, and nearly everyone thought “Good Job!”.

    Too much modern theorizing is nothing more than extrapolation of current existing attitudes, accepting them as some kind of immutable human nature. It isn’t. One need only look at other countries and cultures to see people behaving in ways quite different to ourselves, but who are genetically almost the same. Fred Reed recently quoted a demented general who thought shooting Afghans was fun because they had no manhood anyway (apparently the general had come to this genius conclusion by hearing somewhere that Afghan men rough-hand women into wearing veils). A broader difference of human cultures couldn’t be on show. I wonder if the general’s ‘innate desire to protect women’ extended to providing financial support for all the widows he made whilst having fun shooting their primary means of support? Or was he really just all bull-shit and his ‘concern for women’ nothing more than a rationalization in language that he knew would be acceptable to the culture that he answered to? I suspect the latter.

    The day we give up this bull about being hard-wired to protect women is the day we climb out of the hole we are in. Until then, women will keep walking all over us, 4 star generals and homeless bums alike. If anyone doesn’t believe men could ever behave in such a way, then I doubt they would believe that men would ever allow other men to be routinely convicted on the word of another without evidence, or have their families and possessions removed by corrupt government agencies, or ordered to pay more than they earn at the whim of a judge and jailed when in default.

  • Chris

    Why are women unhappy with men ? Because women like to complain .
    It really is just that simple . Nothing makes a woman happier than seeing others share her misery … as long as she’s still the center of attention even if by default .
    I mean seriously , this was common sense throughout all of human history up until about 30 or so years ago . It was just considered part of the deal .
    None of these feminists have ever bothered to admit why women always ended up in second place throughout human history . The answer is obvious ; When push comes to shove , women are all bark and no bite . They’re not creative , they can’t unhitch themselves emotionally from anything (which makes survival impossible for any group of people that needs to make tough decisions) and they spend too much time fighting over petty or trivial matters rather than staying focused on the issue at hand . In short , the vast majority of women simply are not cut out for leadership or even independence .

    Look at today’s “independent” woman . Think about it : If it weren’t for the machinery of government , the money economy , and , frankly , men , how independent would they really be ? It’s men that have created this world and it’s that creation that feeds the illusion of independence for women . So why are they complaining ? Because they really don’t know how good they’ve got it . They think that what they do is equal to what the average man does . Pure bunk . Who picks up your trash ? Who builds your buildings ? Who dies to defend your life ? Men . Who answers a phone in an office ? Women . She’s incapable of recognizing the difference between her contribution and that of the average man because , despite the commonly believed myth , women are NOT empathetic creatures . They are inherently selfish . They CAN’T usually think about themselves in a group context except as the center of attention . When they don’t get their way or the attention they feel they need (and feel they deserve) they complain until they do get it .

    Like I said , this was common sense accepted by both men and women for a very long time . Now women have managed to nearly make it a crime to call them on their petty complaints . That’s brainwashing folks .

  • DonnieH

    @pj1: “When these women find themselves under-employed, how much higher will their resentment towards men climb?”

    Who cares? They will be old, infertile, and generally outside the erotic view of most men. What are they going to do? Make you sleep on the couch? Just congratulate them on their independence, turn, and walk away. But you’re right, the feminists in our universities have sown the seeds of their discontent. However, this is not my problem.

  • pj1

    There have been many comments here regarding career aspirations for women, and how this may not be as desirable as assumed in the long run.

    This I believe to be true. But -consider the other part of this reality, that there is more than likely a large surplus of college educated females who will never get the opportunity for that “cushy job” mentioned in the op/ed. There will be intense competition for these jobs in the near future, due to the downturn in the economy, and because there never existed a great demand for many of the expensive degrees that women have today to begin with.

    How many layers of mid management jobs can exist? Do job titles like “Creative human quality liaison” or “Media Cultivator” really contribute to the bottom line?

    When these women find themselves under-employed, how much higher will their resentment towards men climb? Their feminists sisters in our nations universities have already planted the nascent seeds of resentment…

  • Jabberwocky

    “The Salem witch burnings took a heavy toll on women at about the same time.”

    All the accusers were young women. Again, the male judges were only acting in a chivalrous fashion towards the young women.

  • The Man On The Street

    Mongo says:
    “The Salem witch burnings took a heavy toll on women at about the same time. Not a lot of hard-wired chivalry going on there.”

    Uhm… Mongo… Might want to check your facts… A TOTAL of 20 people were hung during the witch trials… None by burning at the stake. Oh, and a tid-bit typically missed is that 7 were men. Hardly

    http://www.salemwitchtrials.com/victims.html

    TMOTS

  • Mickey T.

    @ Mongo

    Good last paragraph, but I believe the gentlemen here are referring to the rule, not the exceptions.

  • mongo

    Daniel Defoe describes women thieves being publicly hanged at the gates of Newgate prison in London alongside men only 300 years ago. The Salem witch burnings took a heavy toll on women at about the same time. Not a lot of hard-wired chivalry going on there.

    I think it’s too easy to explain today away as if things have always been this way, everywhere. They haven’t. Modern American mores are only a blip in the evolution of the human species, not the key to explaining what we essentially are, and what we will become. Even within the Anglosphere, American indulgence of women is more notable than elsewhere – take Scotland for instance, where false rape accusers end up in jail.

    Rather than make excuses for a lousy state of affairs, we would be better served being a little more ambitious about what sort of society we want to live in. What’s happened to the spirit that didn’t just accept our propensity to stay glued to the ground, but dared to go to the moon and back?

  • Mickey T.

    BTW- She gave me TWO perscriptions, but I decided to to try one first, and it took only ONE tablet to cause the reaction. I don’t know what would have happened if I took both simultaneously.

    A week earlier, another dr (male) gave me a vaccine which caused a reaction. When I called to tell him, the nurse checked with the dr and advised me to go to ER. They followed up with several phone calls to check on my status.

  • Mickey T.

    @ DonnieH

    “Ditto for female doctors, but they often have more options for soft work (reduced hours).

    I recently sought help from my local allergy group because I developed life threatening allergic reactions from many new sources. At the clinc the doctors discussed my condition and decided that the best qualified doctor happened to be a female. She ordered extensive tests, and when she got the results, she was baffled. It was later discovered that she did not order the proper tests. Two weeks earlier, I had such a serious reaction from insect bites I had to be rushed to ER by ambulance. In the ambulance I lost consciousness and had seizure, but the medic brought me out of it by administering antihistimine IV and constantly talking to me. This female doctor new this was reason I went to her. She also new I had to go to urgent care subseqently because I had a reaction to medication.

    She gave me an RX to prevent allergic reactions. It GAVE me an allergic reaction. The instruction card with the RX described an allergic reaction (which matched my symptoms) and advised immediate medical attention. I then called her office because it was she who perscribe the medication. I described the situation but, after the sec’y checked, I was told that the dr was “unavailable”. I became insistent and asked for the nurse because I needed advice immediatly, but the nurse was also “unavailable”. I used my own judgement and went to urgent care.

    I never got a call back.

    Maybe her hours didn’t allow for her to advise her patients who are in an emergency situation caused by the medication she perscribed. Or maybe she didn’t want to take responsibilty.

    It is not known to many that a severe allergic reaction could be fatal.

    So much for my life being in her hands.

  • BobbyL

    There is no doubt that misandry has infected every western woman and if the UN gets it’s way, will infect every woman on the planet.
    Marriage and the family unit were planned for demolition a LONG time ago by the global elite. When men have no family to fight for, government reigns supreme. Every dictator in history knew this including Hitler. They always aim most of their propaganda at the female. Just look at the magazines at the supermarket checkout. That says it all.

  • SingleDad

    Sadly, you may be correct. As this sort of behavior is seen across all human groups and most animal groups, it’s hard not to see womens unending selfishness as a hard wired fact of biologic dimorphism.

    However, given the current super success of the human species, biologically speaking, this sort of behavior is becoming pathologic.

    It probably has been for many millenia and explains the prohibitions on this sort of behavioir of women in most belief systems dating back to pre-history.

    I suppose women have evolved over the eons to never be happy. Men have known this and thus limited womens behaviour alittle more than mens because women are designed to be hypergamous and hyperdemanding. Take as much as you can get.

    Therefore, the biggest problem that we have is that we have become blind to the nature of women by crafty women (many of them our mothers) who play the system, any system to their advantage. As they say in non-hyerfeminized societies: The west has lost control of it’s women.

    The role of men, then, is to bring some order to this mess because to not act means chaos, created by womens unquenchable desires.

    I believe the MRM is taking the correct first steps, first, protect the children via full shared custody. Let dad keep an eye on Johnny so see that mom doesn’t kill him, after all he has nothing to offer her.

    Second, stop sharing resourses with women, via MGTOW and refusing marriage.

    Next promote laws that limit the parasitism of women on society via legislation as many mens rights groups are currently beginning to do.

    Will this change women as a sort of great awakening? This is as likely as my dog learning to use the toilet because it would make all our lives easier. They just can’t do it.

    As in the past, men will be forced to learn that hanging out with men, down at the pub, is superior to the company of women. Men and women should not “hang out together”. Many current world cultures know this and have stong prohibitions on fraternizing between the sexes especially if unrelated biologically (code for “they could have sex”).

    And never, ever, discuss anything with a woman. That is like asking directions from a wild bear. They just look at you and hear @#$#%%# and think, I’m hungry, that thing moving it’s lips looks tasty.

    Don’t believe me? Ask the man who hung out with bears, oops, they, one day, after years of hanging out with him ate him and his girlfriend.

    Much like American women chew up and spit out American men. These men are never whole again.

  • Mickey T.

    “..the woman is going to decide she hates him forever for it…..”

    I assume you are referring to a non binding (legally) relationship.

    If she is willing to dump you in a moment of anger, you may not be worth having. Or,perhaps she isn’t worth having.

    If the reason is the first choice, it may be your own doing and you should be under stress, but you can change that. If the reason is the latter, consider yourself fortunate and find another.

    In either case, you should not have to worry much. You have control.

    “It takes a worried man to sing a worried song
    I’m worried now but I won’t be worried long.”

    Go for it, brother.

  • jon

    Men are more stressed in arguments? Of course they are, a guy never knows when he’s gonna sincerely disagree or make some innocent comment and the woman is gonna decide she hates him forever for it. Men usually aren’t like this. It’s hard to say when a woman really is crazy and when she’s faking it for intimidation’s sake, but it’s stressful to deal with either way.

    I’m glad to see somebody willing to discuss the obvious fundamental differences between the sexes. The explanations for the behavior are debatable but the actual behavior can be observed and quantified.

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  • DonnieH

    Addendum Re: work/anger-

    Two sub points:
    1) From copious personal observation- many career women find career success and earnings desirable in men and realize on both the frontal and limbic levels that men become more desirable with age regarding career/status issues. I believe they see career success as a super-combo of Botox/liposuction/silicon/yoga hyper-fountain of youth, or at least conferring desirability and status in the dating market well beyond the Wile E. Coyote moments of lesser women. They never seemed to have considered that they are only doing what men have always done- supported themselves. Big whoop.

    2) That achieving career success was not so much about actually doing the work and making the compromises/sacrifices that is required to achive high level success, but rather about gaining access to the high-level men that her success would confer. Access to the inner circles of the rich and powerful. Many women I know seem to hold stongly to the belief that they are entitled to have such a man pursue her. After all, she reads about such things every night in her pulp romance novels. That these men still prefer women displaying visual attributes suggestive of their ability to conceive, bear, and raise healthy children (i.e., younger women) seems to really bother them (just ask Christie Brinkley).

    Law firms often provide great examples of this:

    Hot young female associate (HYB) with $$$$$$$ in student loans hooks up with horney male partner (maritial status irrelevant).
    Male partner shacks up with HYB pays off student loan for HYB.
    HYB buys an expensive car on credit and quits working.

    I’ve seen this too many times to count. Ditto for female doctors, but they often have more options for soft work (reduced hours).

  • Mickey T.

    “Men who understand women gain their admiration, and perhaps sexual favors as well, whweras men who oppose and offend women are treated accordingly.”

    Given today’s feminist climate, we must consider the men who oppose and offend women BECAUSE they understand them. IN a sense they are the most important group.

    Must we always discuss men gaining women’s favor, and never the other way around?

    Ad Nauseum

  • DonnieH

    “Just where does such a truckload of anger come from?”

    Unmet expectations. Western women have such unrealistic expectations that it is impossible to meet them. Their anger is aimed at men directly, e.g., for not being able to find a man that meets each and every one of the 463 requirements on her bullet-point checklist (Losers!!), and indirectly, such as for finding out a career isn’t necessarily the pot-of-gold at the rainbow’s end they imagined it would be. Even though men tried to warn women that, after a couple of decades, a career often becomes drudgery, women are angry at men that their work accomplishments haven’t 1) provided the personal satisfaction she expected or 2) raised her desirability in the eyes of the men she thinks should be dating her.

    This last part is really odd. I’ve seen a lot of women’s articles relating to this latey. Pure gender projection- a woman finds successful, confident men desirable, and she thinks being successful and confident will make her more desirable to men. Heh. It’s like a man thinking “Hey, I like firm, shapely breasts!”, getting a pair installed, and then wondering why women aren’t flocking to him.

  • Denis

    This is a lot of bunk.

    American (and British) women after WWII have been living lives of opportunity paid for by the blood of men. These countries, and especially America, provided a standard of living and opportunities for them that are the envy of the world. This too is the result of the sacrifices of men. Any gratitude? In the 1950s and then in the 1960s feminism because very aggressive and went on the attack against all things male for more than the next 40 years. Was there ever a backlash against endless demands, set asides, privileges, advantages in government, business, education, law (including family law) by the men in ALL of this time? No.

    Your perspective is completely off.

    Western women and especially American women have not one damn thing to be angry about.

    Their primary problem is narcissism: malignant and pathological narcissism.

  • Mike S.

    Feminism has touched the psyche of almost every Western woman and it is grievance orientated, magnifying or adding significance to the everyday slights we all face, but most men just shrug off.

  • Just Curious

    I truly appreciate your writing. The topics are relevent but more importantly, set in truth and reality. I can only imagine how strong the response from women are. Keep it up they need you if they are going to face themselves and grow.







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