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Women’s Sexual Peak Rests Atop a Pile of Lies

2010-08-14
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(Authors note: For those interested, Chuck Ross did an excellent piece of writing on this, in The Sexual Peak Myth, He approaches the subject with a good bit more scientific diligence than I am willing to do here.  I have already accepted that the subject is mythical and am much more interested in posing some questions about why this is the case.)

Some years ago I was at a night club with a group of men and women. Naturally the conversation turned to sex. One woman, in her late forties, said, in a good natured way, “It’s a shame that by the time men really learn what they are doing in bed, their equipment doesn’t work like it used to.”

“I understand how you feel,” I said, in an equally jovial tone, “By the time women start learning what they are doing in bed their looks start fading.”

Needless to say, my response, while as truthful as hers, more or less took her out of the conversation. It was not my intent at all, but you could tell by the look in her eyes that she felt like every line on her face was magnified a thousand times, reading like a giant “use by” date from the last millennium. Fortunately for me, I didn’t have all manner of ego and identity tied up in my penis, or I might have felt the same way.

There was a silver lining, though. It did spark a rather lively round of verbal sparring with the rest of the people at the table. And I am sure that it was a discussion that has been echoed millions of times at millions of night club gatherings.

Why is it that men and women hit their sexual peaks at such radically different ages?

And the answer is, of course, that they don’t. It is just another one of the myriad of lies we enable women to live for the sake of not disturbing their self image- and perhaps for the sake of getting in their pants in leaner times.

Where else but the current gender Zeitgeist can a woman with crows feet, sagging breasts, reduced sexual hormones, a vagina that does not lubricate as it once did, more difficulty conceiving and less ability to attract sexual partners of their preference, stand up and say “I am in my sexual prime,” and have everyone in their presence nod their head in agreement?

Only in a world where we tell women whatever they want to hear, no matter how ridiculous.

And it fits with some unfortunate realities in women’s lives to maintain the lie. An observation I have, one that I cannot back up with any research, is that as women’s biological clocks tick down toward the final moments, there is a tendency, in the words of Dylan Thomas, to rage against the dying of the light.

It’s not sexual primacy, it’s desperate horniness. Their fantasy of being in their sexual prime when they are well past it is only the labored breathing of someone in their last moments, struggling to suck air just a little while longer.

I am not knocking it. When I was 21 I had a 45 year old woman show me what fer, good and proper, for three weeks in a cabin in Oklahoma. It was an educational rite of passage and a very fond memory in my life. Wouldn’t trade it for the world.

But, let’s face it, the only one in that cabin in their sexual prime was me. I was a youngster with a gold mine of a horny older woman desperate for sexual relevance. And when the experience was over, I walked away smiling, and a little better equipped to take care of business with women who were, well, who actually were in their sexual prime.

And she had at least one more round of clinging to her sexual power; to her relevance in the world.

The point is that without sexual viability, the power of most women in this culture is reduced to whatever is afforded by rote chivalry. And while that chivalry affords them a great deal of latitude, it doesn’t provide them with the meaningful significance of a younger woman who still turns heads- and can have babies.

Being in your sexual prime is about being ready to make babies, not about how willing, or anxious, or desperate you are to be ridden hard and put up wet.

In the pure biological sense, infertile women, even those that just appear to be, are just so much excess baggage. And since women as a group either cannot or will not draw their self worth from anything but sexual power (NAWALT stipulated), we will forever have them demanding to live lies. And in modern times, they even have the option of paying surgeons to cut, suction and inject that lie until it looks damned near the truth.

Business is booming.

There is a solution to this, though it is doubtful we will ever get there.

Women, feminists in particular, have long lamented the male beauty standard. They claim it drives women to extremes like surgery and eating disorders, and results in damaged self esteem, all because men want women to look a certain way.

But of course, once you peel back the layers of victimized drivel and get to the core of the matter, you find that women drive themselves to do these things, biology leading them by the nose, because that is their quickest route to personal power, and because they don’t rise above it and find relevance in other ways.

Like the ways men do.

When women collectively quit worrying about sexual primacy and start focusing on their own innate human potential, when they learn to value their own accomplishments more than they value what they can sexually manipulate out of men, the plastic surgeons will be out of business and their bad self esteem, rather than their personal significance, will be facing expiration.

What’s that you say, women already are like that? They already do more on their own than they try to get men to do for them through sex and other forms of manipulation?

Well, I would like to address that here, too. But I only take on one lie at a time.

Paul Elam is the Editor-in-Chief for Men’s News Daily and the publisher of A Voice for Men.

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  • Skeptik

    VVV, you’ve missed the point entirely.
    Sure you may think you’ll be ****ing night and day from here on until you snuff it.
    Although I seriously doubt that. Age catches up with everyone.
    Your sex drive as a woman also means your ability to conceive.
    There’s no argument that from age 30 onwards that lessens with each menstrual cycle until usually by your late thirties/early forties you’re egg-less.

  • VVV

    N O This is such BULLSHIT if I ever heard it!!! I am 24 and just now getting comfortable enough to have a real sex drive!!! In essence, you have no idea what you are talking about dude because you are a man!!! Ha ha ha .. I believe that women do hit their optimum sex drive around thirty, and may begin to sooner, but I am sure as f*ck hoping that I am not going d own hill from here because I just got to the first summit!!! I think that you as a man are ashamed to admit that your sex drive only lessens with age, while women’s sex drives get greater!!! Now, I am not saying that women may not peak in their thirties and then it go down from there… but all I am saying is that I have come a long way and am just getting started!!

  • DonnieH

    @carrie: “like a career? Which you just said was pathetic? I’m confused.”

    That’s because you appear to have very low reading comprehension, or low native intellect, or both.

    @carrie: “I would argue that there is little on this earth more pathetic than an old man hitting on a girl young enough to be his daughter or granddaughter- but, to each his own.”

    I think a better analogy would be a man bragging about not needing a woman for sex because he has access to lots of free Internet porn- both are failures at a primary human relationship, whereas in your example they are not.

    @carrie: “The first is the assumption that all women basically want is a man and children. Is this correct?”

    No, that is not correct. Take a few deep breaths and read what I wrote again, but this time try to actively block your preconceived notions about what it is you think I’m saying.

    @carrie: “So why do women even bother going to college, graduate school, etc if all they really want is to get married?”

    This is a good example of that reading comprehension thingy: “They aspire to gain access to richer, higher status men”. This option is becoming less viable as women increasingly outnumber men at US colleges (nearly 2:1). The first order effect is that many women won’t be able to pair up, and a second order effect is that women who get a date often find that the man has no interest or incentive in committing to a relationship. The time-honored “MRS” degree is pretty much unavailable.

    Look, you’re young. You’ve still got a decade or so before your Wile E. Coyote moment. But you now have knowledge that many of your older sisters didn’t have.

    I think it’s less a question of choices than it is a question of priorities. My mom had a college degree (as did her sisters) back in the 40’s, but she didn’t let that get in the way of having a family, which was what she said was the most important thing to her in her life. She pursued her career after us kids were in school full time.

    My sisters all have college degrees and they’re all train wrecks. Two are divorced (one perpetually angry, the other perpetually depressed) and one’s an archetypical cat lady. It’s your life, do what you want. Why should I care? But you will never have better chances of attracting and securing the attentions and affections of a man suitable for marriage and family than you have right now, so if that’s something you think you might desire in your life, you may want to consider some of the information in this thread and take a good look around. Hey, if you want to have sex with a turkey baster when your 40, that path is well worn. Go for it.

  • Alice

    Shatteredman:
    being used but they are too dumb to realize it:

    They definitely are.
    ~~~~~

    Carrie:
    The first is the assumption that all women basically want is a man and children. Is this correct?

    I thought people in general wanted families. *shrugs*

    ~~~~~
    Donnie H:
    Yes, well, the thing is that, with surprisingly little effort, he will be able to cavort with 23 year olds pretty much any time he wants. But by then he may have matured to prefer women in their late 20?s to early 30?s. Don’t beleive it? Ask Christie Brinkley (and she’s one of the better looking older women around, IMHO).

    Yep, definitely true in my experience. Not only thought but quite a few older guys thinks its ok to cavort with younger women as long as all the equipment works.

    And Christie’s husband’s mistress was 17/18 if I remember correctly.

    ~~~~
    Shatteredman:

    Yes you may be right, older men may attracted to younger women but I highly doubt it is “only attracted to them” I think it may well be that these younger women pay more attention to them and even if it is because these younger women know these men are financially stable, it may be that is the reason these women show interest in them but it may well be the price these men are willing to pay as I do admit it is often a status simple for them.

    (Some insight from a younger girl who dates older men-may be somewhat offtopic)
    I’ll admit part of the attraction to older men is that they are financially stable. I am not chemically neutering myself with birth control so there is a risk I can become pregnant every single month. I can see how women who date their “equals” esp in my age range and subsequently become pregnant struggle just to get the basics. It also seems like guys in my age group dont want to settle down now, but I would like to within a few years.

    Also, in my experience older men are just more likely to approach me for dates. It seems to me guys get bolder as they get older. I’m more traditional so the guys staring at me but saying nothing to me (usually younger ones) just doesn’t appeal to me sexually.

  • Squiggy

    I would argue that there is little on this earth more pathetic than an old man hitting on a girl young enough to be his daughter or granddaughter- but, to each his own.

    Is that as pathetic as you implying someone here said that?

    Stop making crap up, and go away troll.

  • http://shatterdmen.com/ Shatteredmen

    @ Squiggy “Yes, Carrie. Aging women should be put out to pasture. And angry, bitter, holier-than-thou women should be sent to the slaughterhouse.”

    Squiggy, we must NOT allow ourselves to become the enemy we detest. If we lower our standards to theirs, we become just like them and I am sure you do not want that. Our enemy is not men, women or anyone else but the ideologies they support. We can best overcome this by educating those with those ideologies to show them that their ideals are false and will cause more harm to them in the long run. Our ministry for example has dozens of women in it, many of whom admit that before they came to Shattered Men, they hated all men but now they are firm supporters of the men who come bruised and often literally bleeding for help. One is now a moderator in our group and she often talks to men at her work place that she finds are victims of domestic violence and another who recently passed away opened her home to provide shelter for an abused man. None of this would have happened if we did not educate these women who started out hating men.

    Also to be honest, I think even the gender feminist are simply being used but they are too dumb to realize it:

    http://shatterdmen.com/Bitter.htm

  • http://shatterdmen.com/ Shatteredmen

    @ carrie Where did I say that the men on this site hate women?

    Carrie, often it does not have to be said outright, it can be implied and anyone that can read “double speak” will know exactly what you mean. Most of the men here have gotten use to being called women haters simply for standing up for men.

  • http://shatterdmen.com/ Shatteredmen

    1. @ carrie
    “In one of your earlier comments you put the possibility of blame of a man’s ED on his wife’s lack of sexual interest.”

    First, I am not “blaming” anyone but I am suggesting it as one possible cause. Contrary to feminist propaganda, most men are not rapist, in fact very few are and most men are not looking to hop into bed with any female who is willing and I contend that any woman who does think so is either a legend in her own mind or it is wishful thinking.

    Carrie, although both men and women have each of the basic needs that I am about to say, men overall have more of a need to be “significant” By this, I mean that men want to leave their stamp on the world, to say “I have been here” and to know they have made a positive impact on some people. No it does not have to be the world, but their little corner of the world….their home. Women need to feel secure, to know their needs will be met especially as they get older. Oh our governments have made it a point to assure this for women but as they do, more men pay the price as their feelings of significances is greatly dismissed. Older men in need however are often put out to pasture since there is a lack of convenient icebergs to put them on.

    You said “ED is typically attributed to aging and older men” Yes often there are physical reasons for this but there are tens of thousands of men in their 80′s and 90′s who are active without that blue pill. It all depends on if they have a willing partner to be active with.

    Yes you may be right, older men may attracted to younger women but I highly doubt it is “only attracted to them” I think it may well be that these younger women pay more attention to them and even if it is because these younger women know these men are financially stable, it may be that is the reason these women show interest in them but it may well be the price these men are willing to pay as I do admit it is often a status simple for them.
    ” everyone knows how disgusting older women are!” Well my friend, all we have to do is show ONE man who do not think these older women are disgusting and I am one that does not think so, nor am I “turned on” by younger women. Since the beginning of the year, I have had to have some “personally” medical attention for some medical problems. One was a bladder biopsy and I have had to undress from the waist down for about a dozen different women several of who had to touch areas I only want my wife to touch. Never once did I become “excited” nor did I “want” them even though a few were attractive young ladies who had to touch me in personal areas so do NOT lump all men into one category because your feminist friends have done so. I also know many men who feel the same way I do. I doubt any of them saw me in that way although I do know that a few of these women were interested in what they say as when I was in the hospital for a week and could not stand up without help, a few of the women’s eyes dropped to a certain area of my body as soon as the gown I was wearing dropped to the floor but rather than thinking these women were perverts as would have been thought about if the genders were reversed, I think it was only human nature to look at any area that is normally covered but is suddenly exposed.

    That Carrie, is a part of human nature and a man’s interest in the female body is GOD’s way of making sure the human race is carried on.

    So Yes Carrie, I do think a man’s wife’s lack of interest in sex can and often does lead to E.D. but that does not mean that every man that has it want to hop in bed with another woman just because she if female.

  • http://shatterdmen.com/ Shatteredmen

    @ julie “I suspect no site is perfect and I’d probably think there was something wrong with men here if they didn’t vent about women now and then … especially when I learn what they’re up against and been through.”

    Thank you Julie. I have long noticed that anytime men voice that men are battered in domestic violence also we are called whinny little angry boys. I saw this on a CNN message board on domestic violence when three men “DARED” to challenge three women who were quoting all the gender feminist stats on domestic violence using very biased sources while the three men were using solid unbiased sources. The three of us (yes, I was one of them) were called the three musketeers who were extremely violent. My wife reminded me that the three musketeers fought for justice for ALL and that she would rather me be a musketeer than one of the “Three Stooges” I would love to have seen their reaction to that but the message board on this was taken off line shortly after I posted it.

    This does show what men face when we have legitimate complains such as not having equal protection under the law due to the Violence Against Women act or actually having equal access to health care and then being accused of avoiding doctors and told that is why men die earlier.

    There are literally dozens of ways most of us can show major double standards that if we dare say anything, we are often accused of hating women or worse.

    Thank You so much for your comments Julie because so often we do need women to speak up for us since we would only be called bitter, angry violent men just for wanting to be recognized.

  • carrie

    Donnie H: Thank you for at least addressing my points.

    “There is little on this Earth more pathetic than a barren woman who purchases her own finery in an attempt to substitute for her lack of a husband and children…”

    I would argue that there is little on this earth more pathetic than an old man hitting on a girl young enough to be his daughter or granddaughter- but, to each his own.

    There are two things about your thinking that bother me. The first is the assumption that all women basically want is a man and children. Is this correct?
    “They aspire to gain access to richer, higher status men in the delusion that their careers will make them more attractive to those men”.
    So why do women even bother going to college, graduate school, etc if all they really want is to get married?

    The second : “When women collectively quit worrying about sexual primacy and start focusing on their own innate human potential, when they learn to value their own accomplishment…” So here Elam is saying that women who have allegedly outlived their sexual relevancy should focus on intellectual accomplishments… like a career? Which you just said was pathetic? I’m confused.

  • DonnieH

    @carrie: “So all women who aspire to be rich DON’T want:
    -to be self-sufficient
    -respect and the intellectual stimulation that comes with a good career
    -nice house, clothes, car, etc”

    No. They aspire to gain access to richer, higher status men in the delusion that their careers will make them more attractive to those men. It won’t. I thought I’d made that clear. The men will choose younger, more fertile women. There is little on this Earth more pathetic than a barren woman who purchases her own finery in an attempt to substitute for her lack of a husband and children, but, hey, if that fancy handbag will make you feel better about yourself- go for it!

    @carriie: “The entire point I was trying to make was that I feel it is unfair for men to criticise women for aging when they themselves age.”

    No one is criticising women for aging. Merely pointing out the dimishment of their sexual desirability. This should be cause for great celebration among older women because they have been complaining that men (used to) look at them as sex objects for as long as I can remember. Now that these women have grown or matured out of the erotic view of most men, they seem consumed with re-gaining their lost sexual status, but there’s just no substitute for youth, is there? You didn’t want men to look at you like a sex object? Congratulations!

    @carrie: “I’m 50, and I’m married to someone who’s 50, I would hope I would have the self awareness to realize: I don’t look like I did when I was 23, and neither does my partner.”

    Yes, well, the thing is that, with surprisingly little effort, he will be able to cavort with 23 year olds pretty much any time he wants. But by then he may have matured to prefer women in their late 20′s to early 30′s. Don’t beleive it? Ask Christie Brinkley (and she’s one of the better looking older women around, IMHO).

    @carrie: “I feel like I’m raising valid points, which you won’t-or can’t- address or correct”

    Feeeeeling you’re raising valid points isn’t the same as raising them, now is it?

    Perhaps you missed this part at the end of Paul’s article: “When women collectively quit worrying about sexual primacy and start focusing on their own innate human potential, when they learn to value their own accomplishments more than they value what they can sexually manipulate out of men, the plastic surgeons will be out of business and their bad self esteem, rather than their personal significance, will be facing expiration.”







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