Demonising Feminist Supporters
By Angry Harry
Occasionally I receive an email or see a forum posting which suggests that it is not fair to brand all women who call themselves feminists as 'man-haters'.
I can understand this point of view.
However, I can also accept that there were many people who called themselves Nazis who did not really have a hatred for Jews - presumably because they did not comprehend fully what Nazism was really about at the time.
As such, I am quite happy to accept that not all women who support feminism are man-haters.
Furthermore, of course, I know from my own experience that many women who claim to support feminism are not man-haters.
Nevertheless, I think that it is absolutely correct and justified for activists to brand (i.e. to accuse) all women who support feminism as man-haters; thus making it very clear to such women that if they support feminism then they do, in practice, support man-hatred, whether this is their purposeful intention or not.
And I would argue similarly when it come to those who would nowadays give support to the ideology of 'Nazism' - no matter what their views.
It might well not be their intention to fuel hatred towards Jews, but their very support for an ideology which clearly is very much associated with inflaming hatred towards Jews makes them accomplices in the perpetuation of such hatred.
When a woman endorses feminism she endorses man-hatred, whether or not she intends to.
And when women label themselves as 'equity' feminists or 'independent' feminists, or whatever, they are giving credence and support to an ideology - feminism - which is very much about generating hatred towards men.
The main reason for this, of course, is because the vast majority of women who do support feminism have no real understanding of just how horrible, in practice, is this ideology.
And they cannot distinguish between all the different types of feminism that are alleged to exist.
The upshot is that anybody who attracts support for their own particular brand of feminism is, indirectly, attracting support for feminism in general.
And, in practice, feminism, in general, has turned out to be a loathsome, bankrupt, destructive ideology which, amongst many other dreadful things, results in men being demonised, disadvantaged, discriminated against and mistreated.
To repeat: I do not suggest that all women who call themselves feminists, or who state that they approve of feminism, are, in fact, man-haters, but I am quite happy to brand them as such because they are endorsing an ideology that thrives on generating a hatred of men.
Another reason why I think that the demonisation of women who support feminism as 'man-haters' is justified is because it makes them think twice about what, exactly, they are supporting.
In other words, it is a strategy.
And, as history clearly demonstrates, demonisation is a very effective strategy indeed.
I regret very much that this is the case.
I wish that it were not so.
But if you look at the way in which those groups that have power have actually gained their power, you will surely see that they have very often used demonisation as a very effective tool.
And the vast majority of regular readers of MensNewsDaily will know exactly what I am talking about.
Should they complain about excessive immigration then they are 'racists'.
Should they oppose homosexuality being promoted in schools then they are 'bigots'.
Should they oppose feminism then they are latent 'oppressors' and diabolical 'abusers' of women in some way or other.
On and on it goes.
Demonisation has the effect of intimidating people with certain views and it shuts them up, thus allowing the demonisers to get across their message continually to the public without much in the way of opposition.
It is a deeply unpleasant tactic, but it works.
And given that, as a man, I have been demonised by all and sundry for the past three decades, and have, for the most part, politely sat back and allowed this to happen, I have no hesitation at all nowadays, and no qualms, about doing my very best to destroy the ideology - feminism - that has been one of the main promoters of this demonisation.
I want to see it stamped out completely.
All of it.
I want the very word feminism to sound like Nazism in the minds of people.
And I want people to reject it wholesale.
And if this means demonising those who support feminism - or any supposed branch of it - then so be it.
Indeed, if people are going to support an ideology and/or highly influential groups that are stirring up hatred towards me - whether they do so directly or indirectly - intentionally or not - then I am going to demonise them.
And I hope that they find this to be a hugely uncomfortable experience.
And to this end I recently wrote two pieces - Judges and Organ Monkeys - the former demonising judges and the latter demonising senior British police officers - which I fully intend to keep publicising hither and thither on the internet - as per this very article.
A decade ago I would have been appalled at anyone who had written such pieces. "You will get nowhere by being rude to people," I would have said to them. "You are over-reacting and being unfair, and you will achieve nothing," I would have added.
And I would have been wrong.
The evidence that I have seen over my recent years as a men's activist could not be clearer: Demonisation works.
And, sometimes, you just have to fight fire with fire - or you will get absolutely nowhere while continuing to be demonised yourself.
Finally, with regard to 'feminism' itself, it is nothing more than an ideology of pure selfishness that is devoted to grabbing as much as possible for Me, Me, Me - where Me happens to be anyone who is female - no matter how undeserving she might be - and taking it away from Them, Them, Them - where Them means anyone who is male.
This might well not be the intention of many women who endorse feminism but, in practice, this is what they are supporting.
Angry Harry is a British social critic and contributing editor of MND. Visit his website at AngryHarry.com.
13 Comments:
But the mens movement cannot just stop at demonising these feminist wherewolves back.
Every thing else these feminists do to men must be done back to the feminists.
Following AHs logic, if the feminists and their supporters violently torture or kill males then the same should befall the feminist.
Why stop at counter-demonnisation only? As to the raial nationalist, so to the gender nationalist.
AH-have you ever thought about using your many years of thinking and writing about the evils of feminism towards writing a book about men's rights and the destructiveness and intellectual dishonesty and evil of feminism (similar to what the early radical feminists did to start the women's movement)? I believe there are some publishers in the U.S. that would market and publish it.I predict a huge success. I know the internet is great and will continue to benefit the mens movement greatly, but you could rock the world with a truly controversial book-and I cannot think of anyone better than you.
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Thanks Denis
Maybe one day I might write something - but I am far too busy these days
In any negotiation you do not start from a reasonable position. You start from a position very favorable to yourself and meet halfway with the other person.
If men are reasonable now we are finished.
We must end with a reasonable settlement.... not kick off with compromise
After all my tribulations and suffering, I can just fall on my knees and thank AngryHarry for this Gospel Truth. There are lots and lots of other men out there whose life has been destroyed by feminist lies and falsehoods. Above all, media is practically in the hands of feminists and pro-feminist men, and men who have been wronged by women simply haven't got words to express themselves. This is why I am so endlessly grateful for Harry's words. The refreshing drought of Truth in the arid desert of Lie.
You worthless trolls only reinforce my hatred of men. You definitely need to be put in your place, preferably castrated. Thank God for feminism.
Should they complain about excessive immigration then they are 'racists'.
Should they oppose homosexuality being promoted in schools then they are 'bigots'.
Should they oppose feminism then they are latent 'oppressors' and diabolical 'abusers' of women in some way or other.
...And yet (and I say this from an Australian point of view, as its the only one I can be certain of), immigration WAS restricted and is popular. Homosexuality is banned from mention in schools (and there's some fun suicide stats for you to look at about that. I hope its not your son/daughter who kill themselves because they don't know where to express their fears/confusion) and women AREN'T paid equally, have a glass ceiling, are raped more regularly, fewer pay off their HECs debts etc.
Maybe that leads us to the conclusion that you ARE oppressing these groups who have less power than you and so you ARE being racist (or at least ethnocentric), you ARE homosexist and you ARE sexist. Its a tough cookie to take, I know, and I have little to no hope that you'd ever realise that.
As a feminist, I was distraught when I heard a female teacher received only a minimal jail sentence for her seduction of a 14yr old student. That's not equal!
I was extremely upset to hear about the male age of consent in homosexuality to be above my own. That's not equal!
I was saddened to hear recently that 'women and children' will be likely released from mandatory detention, but men will not. That's not equality either!
And you know what? MEN made those rules. I fight against them. Why? Because I want equality, not supremacy. So do the great majority of feminists. Perhaps you've heard a vocal few, or perhaps you haven't been listening very well.
Also- Why do you think that you, as an outsider, would know what feminists support more than the feminists themselves? A feminist is not like a nazi, they're like a black-activist. In South Africa, fighting against apartheid there was an EXTREME group of activitists and a MODERATE group of activists. Both would be grouped together at times but both were able to stand differently but under the same title. And that didn't make either of them like nazis, it just made one of them more upset about the inequality of the past, and more predisposed to a 'see what it was like, what i had to go through' mentality. And it seems that you, too, have such a predisposition.
MizuUta
There would never have been need for a feminist movement if men hadn't hated women, deprived women of freedom, used women to fill their lust for vanity and power, invented religions that degraded women, raped and killed women the world over. It's a little silly to play the victim when women fight back with feminism. There are some excesses of feminism, but there are far more excesses in patriarchy. When women can take a man out to a deserted highway, brutally rape him and cut off his arms with an axe and leave him to die in a culvert like what was done to an actual woman here in the U.S. then you can whine about feminism. When women create a religion that says men need to "obey" us and "submit" to us and virtually be our slaves, like men have done the world over with their religions to women, then you can whine about feminism.
I think you're just getting now a very small taste of what women in every part of the world have been enduring in a far more extreme way from men in power. It seems highly self-indulgent for you to complain now. Oh no! you're being deprived of some questionable legal rights - how about not being allowed to own property, vote or make decisions concerning your own children or your own body? Or it being legal to rape women in marriage as was once a reality for women? Could be another reason feminism caught on. Oh no! people are criticizing you - how about being told you're not intelligent, not capable of leadership, not worthy of basic human rights, not worthy of freedom like women a couple of centuries ago were, and still are in parts of the world? Still are told that in my radical religious family. You think you have it bad, but you don't know what real pain is hon. Feminism won a lot of victories because we know what it's like more than anyone what it is to be persecuted, we fought back and I'm proud of being a feminist.
However, I admire your courage in actually allowing people to post comments and not just ranting insanely to thin air as radicals are wont to do. Maybe the men's movement can actually learn something from feminism and visa versa if you open your minds and hearts a little. Certainly feminism has always been willing to check itself and look at itself. Susan Faludi wrote Backlash, but she also wrote Stiffed. Feminism will dissappear when rape dissappears, when men want women to be happy, free, powerful and healthy and support us in those goals the way women used to do everywhere for men. I grew up in an old fashioned religious woman-hating home and I see women all the time believing in men, supporting men's goals, creativity, strength, and rarely-never see it in men towards women. Usually men are like you - angry and resentful and hateful when women want better lives, want to be respected, want to have the things that men want for themselves and won't allow for women. One would think you're - you know - selfish and self-absorbed. That's the kind of thing that breeds future enraged feminists. So angry, privileged males, if you want feminism to dissappear, then make the causes of it (rape, violence, cruelty, disrespect, lack of love, lack of support, lack of equality in government and society) go away. That was the start of the war and putting an end to it will be the end of it. Love conquers all and all that.
by Robert Jensen
I have lost count of the number of times since her death earlier this month that I have heard feminist writer Andrea Dworkin referred to as a “man-hater.”
Of all the lies told about feminists, one that always made me particularly angry and sad is the claim that Dworkin -- and by extension, any woman with a similar critique of men’s violence -- hated men. Dworkin’s prolific and powerful writings, particularly her critique of pornography, made her a target for some of the ugliest attacks levied against any feminist over the past four decades, and the label “man-hater” was at the center of the campaign to marginalize her and her ideas.
I am a man who has read all of Dworkin’s books, and here’s how it looks to me: I don’t think she hated men. I think she loved us. I think Andrea Dworkin loved men because she loved people, and men are people -- men are human beings -- no matter how hard we sometimes seem to want to prove otherwise by our behavior.
Here’s what Dworkin said when she addressed a men’s conference and asked them to work against rape:
“I don’t believe rape is inevitable or natural. If I did, I would have no reason to be here. If I did, my political practice would be different than it is. Have you ever wondered why we [women] are not just in armed combat against you? It’s not because there’s a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence.”
Dworkin wanted to help men claim our humanity, not just for our sake but because she wanted to stop men’s violence against women. She wanted an end to the harassment, rape, battery, child sexual assault. And she knew that required men to change, to save ourselves. In that same speech, she challenged men to take that responsibility:
“[Women] do not want to do the work of helping you to believe in your humanity. We cannot do it anymore. We have always tried. We have been repaid with systematic exploitation and systematic abuse. You are going to have to do this yourselves from now on and you know it.”
Dworkin was called a man-hater not because she hated men but because so many men do not want to face that challenge, so many men will not come to terms with what it will take to end that violence. Dworkin is gone, but her challenge remains, and I would like to restate it for men: Before dismissing her work as man-hating, read her work for what we can learn, not just about the experiences of women but about ourselves. Take up that loving challenge she offered. (See www.andreadworkin.net)
It’s a cliché to say that a powerful writer “changed my life,” but no other phrase captures what Dworkin’s work has meant to me. I don’t know exactly who I would be today if I had never read -- never felt -- Dworkin’s passion for justice. I am not sure exactly what I would be doing if I had never come to understand -- as she helped me understand -- that feminism is not just a movement for the liberation of women but a gift to men.
I suppose I would be more of a man, but perhaps I would be less of a human being.
Posters comment: If you have wives or girlfriends I am asking that you please simply leave women alone. Your women hating sites are nothing but a manifestiaon of your full blown psychopathic obsession of women. That is correct, you display serial killer traits and stalking traits. No, I am not being dramatic.
Please leave us alone and if you do you will be okay, you really will, just try it, the world will not stop. Ok, I have cut the cord.
This message is in response to anymous (who I assume is a woman). I have nothing to say to Robert Jensen, except that, come the revolution, you and your fellow gender traitors will be the first against the wall.
The below passage is a quote from a posting on a different website (from Paul in Norwich). He puts it better than I ever could, except that I believe we are on the verge of a real gender war. And women will lose. Men control the military, police and most of the guns. Despite your desire for revenge for perceived past injustices, we will not lie down like dogs for your feminazi ends.
Paul from Norwich says: "The comment that "women have had to endure prejudice and oppression for thousands of years" is typical of the illogical arguments used by feminists to justify the unjustifiable - that women should have special privileges and perks simply because of their gender. No, women have not been oppressed. They have been protected (by men who have fought horrific wars for them); watched over (by men who fill all the emergency services); housed (by men who have built all the homes you can see the length and breadth of the country); provided for (by men who have worked all the hours God sends them); fed (by men who have transformed the land into farms); cosseted (by men who have invented all manner of machines and made discoveries to make women's lives easier); educated (by men who have developed all the great disciplines and schools of learning); entertained (by men who have invented devices such as TVs, radios and computers); given power over their own bodies (by men who have led the way in medicine, contraception and obstetrics - we gave women the pill too, remember); and of course, simply loved (by men who have made endless sacrifices for them). You see, it has really always been a woman's world. But if they just don't appreciate any of it, and figure that being taken from hiding in caves and cowering from wild animals to living safe, well-fed and pampered existences at men's expense has been a journey not of privilege but of oppression and suffering, well that's just too sad for words. So perhaps we really should reverse the roles for a change."
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