Sex, Security and PC Heresy
“Treat a lady like a whore and a whore like a lady and you’ll never go wrong.” Words of wisdom from my late uncle, an average looking fellow who was 5’7” bald, slightly overweight and had more ladies on the string than I could count. How did he do that? After the end of his first marriage (but regrettably not his last) Uncle Donald always had a date… always. As my own father was something of a dolt when it came to the true nature of women, my dear uncle was kind enough to explain to me a great many things.
Almost universal among mammals, ‘nature’ has mostly opted to leave the desires of females out of the equation in regards to procreating. Yes, females are more receptive at some times, but the male in most of these species, especially primates, generally takes a female at his whim. Human beings are not much different than are tree swinging, sexually uninhibited cousins in this respect. Men are psychologically hardwired for sex and women are emotionally hardwired for security, and both genders are willing to trade one for the other.
Hunt, gather, fight, copulate… these are the four basic ‘drives’ of man. Whether you believe in evolution, creation or intelligent design, the human male is uniquely designed and desirous to accomplish these tasks. In human men, sperm production is so ridiculously high that 23 men in a period of one month could produce enough gene juice to impregnate and repopulate the entire planet, currently standing at around 6 billion… Basically, the boys were designed to ‘hit’ as many females in the shortest period of time, whether the women want to mate or not. Through out human history this has been the ‘natural order.’
One of the most interesting web sites on the subject of ‘consensual non-consent’ is taken in hand, ran by a lovely woman who truly believes women and men are better if the man is in charge. Sarah Penny (definitely not her real name) has mused on many occasions as to the excitement and security of being taken forcibly by a man. ‘It is soooo hot’ she mention during one conversation. In her most explosive article to date “When Rape is a Gift” Sarah explains the following to ‘civilized’ men who are interested in pleasing an adventurous woman:
He must have faith that she knows what she wants and is willing to take the risk. He must believe in his ability not to misjudge the situation, and in the woman's ability to deal with it well if he does. He must be willing to be profoundly and intensely intimate with the other person.
From a civilized standpoint, a Judeo-
In the context of consensual non-consent, both parties are simply acting out what has been programmed into them genetically. Of course, in a modern society all of this interaction requires order… men can’t ‘have’ anyone they want, and women have a way becoming ‘control freaks’ if left to their own desires. In my own experiences, no less five lovers have confessed their desire to be taken and ravaged. Two of them wanted it at random; after work in her parking garage, the other suggested I break into her home and wait. On neither of these requests did I acquiesce. It sounded like a great way to get shot, beat up by some guy wanting to be a hero or (gasp) what if I got the wrong woman? Orange suits, cages and a ‘boyfriend’ named Bubba don’t appeal to me. Sarah and her friends are welcome to their desires and maybe someday this will be alluring, but under the current realities of gender relations, the ‘natural order’ will have to wait.
Max Ross is a businessman, father and self described ‘Libertarian bomb thrower.’
61 Comments:
Hee, hee, hee... you just got trashed...
-Brad R.
HA HA HA! You think like a rapist...it would be so funny, if it weren't so scary.
Your understanding of evolution is pathetically lacking.
"Just so stories" justifying rape?
Disgusting.
Just another example of the many people that celibacy is a vast improvement over.
"Max Ross is a businessman, father and self described ‘Libertarian bomb thrower.’"
Little Maxine: "Daddy, I got raped."
Maxie: "No, dear, the nice man was just acting out the deterministic Trail-Restrain-Fuck-Gloat meme. Here's 'Rape as a Gift.' It is soooooo hot! Now I gotta go hit and 'hit' your mother."
And then there's Max, Jr., "Dirty Donald's" ideological heir. What a little demon that fucker is!
(Sadly, No! sent me.)
You are a brilliant man, and by "brilliant" I mean laughably wrong in every point of your argument. The funniest error you make is what George Galloway might call a "schoolboy howler": You define two of man's instincts as "Gather--Hunt." What a riot. If you can even define these activities as instinctual (I'll let that pass), a look at an Anthro 101 textbook would tell you that in hunting and gathering economies, the division of labor is: males hunt and FEMALES GATHER. This is even a bedrock supposition of many of your fellow "biology is destiny" jerks: the females have to stay close to home to care for those babes and the men can go a-rangin' for days at a time to hunt the big caribou or whatever. You can't even get your stereotypes right. And by the way, cultural ecologists who have analyzed data on hunting-gathering societies say that in such economies, it's the females' gathering activities that provide the bulk of the nutrition that sustains the population; the meat the men bring home is an occasional, undependable resource. But hey, if you want to lump your idol, Instinctual Man, in with the calico-wearing, lactating homebodies that are Woman in your scheme of things, that's all the more fun for the educated.
I would like to think we have moved on a bit in the last few thousand years, and become more social. A Chick who wants to be "taken" forcefully would scare me.
Not only do you degrade women but you also degrade and demean the role of men in families. That's why I don't like evolutionary biology- it's reductionistic, it ignores that we have evolved far, far beyond our more simplistic ancestors. Do you know much theory about brain development? That at the center of all brains is a "reptile brain"? Then each layer around that reptilian center is a more evolved brain, complex thinking and the like. How much of your brain are you using?
While I don't buy into the evolutionary biology bull, one of the things you did gloss over is that women are also looking for INTELLIGENT men to mate with, to have SMART children with, and maybe even men who might stick around to help them, oh, I dunno, help raise the children? In our MODERN ERA we call fathers who shirk their responsibities "deadbeat dads" because most of us have an evolved sense of paternal responsibility. We expect men to do a heluva lot more than just screw and run. (Also, male chimps are known to commit infanticide, eat their young. We may have common ancestors but there are plenty of differences. Playing with feces is another example.)
Certain people, like yourself, are attracted to bullcrap simplistic explanations because it justifies irresponsible behavior. You can't help yourself if you rape, cheat on your wife, it's just your "man instincts." Right?
One of the joys of being an evolved, higher life form is that we can move far beyond our most basic impulses. It's what makes us uniquely human.
If this is the face of the modern men's movement, you're not only sexist against women but you're totally sexist against men as well. Good luck with that.
You are an asshat.
While some folks list *rape* as a fetish, it is never actual rape, it is a power-trade complete with careful planning, debriefing, safe words and a trusted lover. Actual rape, you moron, is not, has never, and will never be anything that women want, on any level, ever.
Asshat.
Sadly, No! sent me, and dude, your bandwidth charges are probably gonna go up soon. To be clear, that's not because anyone agrees with what you have to say.
Pity them old hunter-gatherer days are long gone. Back then I could have impaled you with a filthy spear for even suggesting you might rape my wife or daughters without worrying about getting a lawyer and all that nonsense.
Sadly no. The good old days are gone.
Pity them old hunter-gatherer days are long gone. Back then I could have impaled you with a filthy spear for even suggesting you might rape my wife or daughters without worrying about getting a lawyer and all that nonsense.
Sadly no. The good old days are gone.
Well, it's better now, in a way. People can read words, understand parody, and see implications, including that the author of this piece, with its essentialist BS, may not be the best person to help you deal with your actual rape crisis, or to have a relationship with.
I know women into all sorts of weird stuff but that doesn't make it a natural law. And, by the way, there are lots of women who enjoy sex.
So, if I'm gay is is cool if I rape you? I mean, you aren't predisposed to liking it like women are, but I am predisposed to want to do it to you so at least it is right on my part. Thus the fault is with you.
Although social mores would require you to put up a small fight, I would overpower you with my large athletic frame and help you get in touch with your feminine side.
That's cool right?
you know. i have a friend who, throughout most of her childhood, was repeatedly raped by her father. maybe i should show this to her? who knows, it might do her good to realize she wanted it all along. ass.
So, when a man masturbates, is he raping himself?
Almost universal among mammals, ‘nature’ has mostly opted to leave the desires of females out of the equation in regards to procreating.
Others have commented ably on your general intellect and apparent preference for proctological haberdashery, Max, so I'll just point out that the above-quoted statement might be the most completely wrong thing I've ever heard outside the White House Press Room.
The females of the vast majority of mammal species go through estrus cycles. This is popularly known as "being in heat." When a female mammal is in heat, it generally means two things. One is that she's going through a fertile period. The other is that she's (more) willing (than usual) to mate.
Wild animals generally don't waste energy on pursuits that get them no benefit and incur risk of injury. Males who insist on mating outside the female's estrus period risk often severe injury with no possible payoff in reproductive success. Males who wait to be invited risk less injury, save energy and have more likelihood of reproducing. There is thus strong selective pressure toward allowing female mammals to control all mating, and that is in fact what happens among most mammals.
In other words, mating in most mammal species is almost entirely at the whim of the female.
Male mammals do mount females (and other males) to display dominance, but that's not sex, merely a use of sexual body language to cement the male's status in the social group. Human males don't need to do this, because we have other avenues for such social chest-beating. Lions and tapirs and wolves, however, cannot post to Little Green Footballs or deny home loans to single mothers, so they work with what they have.
In any event, you may want to learn, I dunno, anything about biology before you try to write something like this again.
A bit of therapy couldn't hurt either.
What a misogynist freak this guy is! I loathe libertarians, they really suck! In fact men in general really suck!
When you're a psychologist and/or an anthropologist or even someone who has something more reliable than a skeezy uncle to quote, people might actually listen to you.
As it is though:
Females in MANY species signal their attraction to a male in various ways. Just because you don't speak chimp doesn't mean its not happening. Beyond that, females often kill or maim males who advance unwanted on them in the animal kingdom.
You don't know what animals are 'thinking', so don't give them quaint rape-supportive 'thoughts'. For instance, you say that female animals don't have much say. As I've said above, they often do. You've also said that having males take females *against their will* or *without their consent* is the natural order of things. Do animals have will and consent? Not likely
Go and do some reading or something.
Hail Eris!
Man, you've got issues. Get help.
Snarky, sent by Sadly, No, and the feminist rage LJ community
Hey, Perfesser Max: For your next article, can you come up with a unified field theory? It shouldn't be too hard; just tell us what you think it is, and of course, it'll be true. It'll help if you throw in examples involving some well-hootered bimbo you once dated.
I truely envy the profoundly, willfully stupid; they have complicated issues such as human pair-bonding and quantum mechanics all worked out, while the rest of us are stuck reading and going to school only to get glimpses at answers.
Oh dear. This is wrong on so many levels that I hope it's something you are doing just because you like to piss people off. I'll pray for you.
Uhm, yeah.
When was the last time you talked to an actual, living, breathing, thinking human female?
...you really think you'll attract women by saying you're a wannabe rapist?
Can we have your picture so we know to castrate you on sight? It's that female need for security, y'know.
Max, now that a professional biologist has comprehensively trashed the scientific basis for your justification for rape, what price the rest of your argument?
(as though we didn't already know...)
I can only hope that before you "hit" a woman again, you are caught by the police. Another poster has suggested you get "help" (which I assume should be psychiatric in nature), but I think you need a long jail sentence, preferably in a place where you can discuss your theories with large, no-necked men named Bubba who will "hit" you, repeatedly and with great force. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe you.
Congratulations! You're a moron.
BDSM/forceful play and rape are two entirely different things. I'm sorry for you and the women you date that you can't separate the two. Free advice: don't show the women you plan on dating your website. I promise you none of them would be impressed.
As someone who's studied evolutionary biology, I can tell you that your science is wrong. Females are the ones that select mates. Why are male animals (particularly birds) more colorful than the females? It's because the female is the one that has to be impressed and ultimately allow the male to mate with her.
And your uncle having a string of women really doesn't measure any kind of success. It just means that no woman can stand to be around him for very long.
And stop telling people you're a Libertarian...you're giving us a bad name.
While I wish I had something witty to add to all the trashing you've already received here and elsewhere, everyone else has already done such a great job. I'd like to add a hearty "fuck off loser", question the level of contact you have with women and the outside world in general, inform you that your uncle was also a loser and probably had some sexually transmitted infection, and lastly that your attempt to use various fields of science to justify your misogyny would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.
Gee, another guy trying to come up with justifications for his rape fantasies. Can't you nitwits come up with new material?
Your entire post is an insult to men everywhere. I hope the women reading your trash don't make the mistake of thinking all men are ignorant, dishonest, cowardly weaklings like you.
A few pieces of advice:
1. Crack a book before you opine on "natural" sexual behaviors or anthropological trends. You're embarassing yourself.
2. Put your kids up for adoption immediately, before your "rape is great" mentality leads you to conclude that your kids want you to screw them, too.
3. For heaven's sake, put your penis away. Your gene juice is clearly sub-par, and nature will be better off without you.
Great article, dude. And thanks to your philosophy I won't feel sorry for you when they rape you in prison.
You and your Uncle Donald are a couple of major-league assholes, that's for sure.
No doubt you are attracted to the notion of rape because no woman would dream of voluntarily having sex with a clown like you, and you know it.
Man, haha...i dont really believe for one moment yer gettin any.
you're nothing.
Those chix were 300 lb men you met on the internet.
And you knew it too...
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hee heh heh hahahaaaa...hey Steph! Its me, Amy!! howya doin!!
cant believe this its such a damned coincidence. give me a call sometime, k?
bye hun!
i knew it was you cuz of the asshat thing- and i still have that jon lennon and yoko ono pic you gave me.
I love it. Hey who heres from houston? We should turn this into a social network!!
this guy makes other men look so fucking hot!!!
isnt this guy funny? and the replies are so witty and histerical..i have to admit im glad this happened...i laffed my ass off better than any comedy central coulda done, and it almost makes me wanna go home with some shy guy tonight and fuck him!!
ah, thankgod for idiots..making natural selection easier...and funnier too! Steph give me a ring for reeal!@!!
ps
HA HA
My own opnion and I very well may be wrong. But here it is anyway.
I know I may be the minority here, especially after reading his reviews but... Are you all sure it's being read correctly? Because that really doesn't seem to be an opinion written about much anymore.
Look at these lines: After the end of his first marriage (but regrettably not his last) Uncle Donald always had a date… always. As my own father was something of a dolt when it came to the true nature of women, my dear uncle was kind enough to explain to me a great many things.
That seems more *mocking* or dry than anything. And the first sentence was most definitely meant to catch the reader's attention, rather than provide a thesis. And by looking at where he puts quotes around certain phrases, the following being only one example:
Through out human history this has been the ‘natural order.’
He also uses it in the last paragraph around "control freaks". To me, that says he's quoting someone else's ideas, not his own opinion, in a less than respectful manner. If he personally believed what he had heard, why would he put it in quotes? Not to mention that this choice of quote seems outright *mocking*:
‘It is soooo hot’ she [Sarah Penny] mention during one conversation.
Of all lines to choose for a serious article, *that* is not the one to use if you want a so-called 'source' to be taken seriously. The entire last paragraph seems to draw to a close an article that draws attention mockingly to people who may believe this way, an example being "Sarah Penny", the author of "When Rape is a Gift."
While I can't be sure on the evolution crap, and whether or not he was taught that or is regurgitating it for mocking's sake, the rest does *not* seem to be supportive of the idea that women want to be raped. Personally, I'm taking it as the author thinking, "I can't believe people think this. That's amusing."
Poor misunderstood rape guy...
It din come across that way. i mean, if yer gonna bring up somethin so wrong you better really do it right. This crap went over like a lead balloon. Praps the author did not have a clearly worked out purpose in writing so it 'lost' its direction...but straight up musing over it...is kinda wierd. Hello, somebody asking to be raped aint bein raped...or maybe i need a dictionary. heh. Maybe he's just a dumb guy and doesnt know his butt from a hole in the ground.
when rape is a gift...like when you recieve a bunch of nasty fruitcakes for christmas that jump out of the boxes harming you internally in one of the most sensitive areas of your body while you scream please stop? lets sit under the apple tree and ponder...shall we?
If you've read any biology at all, you've managed to miss the point entirely. You're a misogynist and an apologist for rape. And you're probably really damn ugly on top of all that. Wow, what a winner. I'm certainly ready to spawn.
I'd be more concerned about the misogyny if this guy was such a fucking dumbass. Serioulsy, the "mating is at the will of the male" crap may be the most biologically inaccurate statement I think I've ever read.
A comment to the poster who suggested this guy was trying to see a different point of view, who noted: Personally, I'm taking it as the author thinking, "I can't believe people think this. That's amusing."
So you're essentially saying that if he was trying to say that, then he's not a scary asshole, he's merely a terrible writer. Satire/humour should not be attempted by many...
Here endth the lesson in feminist/leftist rhetoric. Thanks for all the cogent arguments.
How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Shut up you male chauvinist pig.
HAhahaha
Here's one for you... if we're going back to the natural order of things, I've already selected my mate. (Or he's selected me). I "belong" to him. This means, that if you're allowed to hit any woman you want because they "like it", than my mate is allowed to beat your brains out with a stick, or blow them out with a gun, whichever you choose if you decide to rape me. Since we don't live in a time where you can do that without getting in trouble with the law, I suggest you don't go running around raping women because a few women you've encountered seemed to like it.
The reaction by women has only reinforced, yet again, to me and many many American men just how pathetic you little princesses are.
Angry Harry said it best:
"Many of them contained nothing more than vindictive menstrual spite - typical of so many immature women these days who believe that they are so superior to everyone else.
They are not superior at all.
On the contrary; they are usually little more than spoiled over-indulged narcissists who have become far too imbued with their own sense of self-importance to be able to tolerate any view which threatens to throw them off their self-constructed lofty pedestals."
The paradigm is shifting away from feminism and the ascendency is with men's rights.
It is about time.
Two of them wanted it at random; after work in her parking garage, the other suggested I break into her home and wait.
Right. Ask them after their fantasies come true, ask them how hot their broken noses and bleeding thighs and fear of dark places and strangers are. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you just how hot and horny it is to be violently and forcibly assaulted like that. This thing called 'fantasy' is called such because it doesn't exist in reality. I might fantasize about having anonymous sex on the subway with some random stranger, but the reality is that the first guy who actually whips his dick out and tries to stick it under my skirt is going to find suddenly find that he is now a she.
What next - are you going to read a blog by an amputee fetish (which does exist quite a bit) and conclude that all women have a biological imperative to cut our legs off? Or perhaps you might visit a site dedicated to furries - I'd love to see what conclusions you'd come up with about the human race based on that little subculture.
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Hi, Max!
I want to personally thank you for you. Simply by existing, you make every other man on the planet look like a deep, compassionate, empathic stud. Your stellar example of ass-hat-ness gives all the rest of us guys hope.
Don't worry, ha ha, I got the joke. You were only kidding, of course. Being all in-your-face and stuff. Dude, that's so totally manly! Trust me, I know that all those psycho-evil femi-nazis won't get it. But I do! I know it's not some feeble excuse or anything, after the fact. Because I'm a mensch, just like you. Well, not as much of an ass-hat, but still manly. Grr.
Too bad your wife has custody. Otherwise you could tell your kids the Truth about how stuck-up American Women are nowadays. Man, those bitches is just beggin' to be raped! Shit, yeah!
Power to the Man, brother! Power to the Man!
geez...take a freakin' pill...at least before you go to your women's study class you pussy wiped dumbfuck.
you don't 'get it' asshole. Pussy whipped shitheads like you is the reason men continue to be stripped of their rights.
gee-after reading it again, I noticed that nowhere did she speak about 'broken noses' etc. so I guess you are just projecting your own propaganda to someone else's ideas. what a surprise. If feminists can't win in the arena of ideas which is so often the case-well they just spin the original idea or change the subject altogether. If that does'nt work-use name calling and hysterics.
The problem with all these tactics is:THEY DON'T WORK ANYMORE.
American Women-the most repulsive and self-centered and pampered people on earth. No wonder men are waking up.
9:11 AM
I noticed that nowhere did she speak about 'broken noses' etc. so I guess you are just projecting your own propaganda to someone else's ideas
Hardly - what does the word "ravaged" mean to you? To dictionary.com it means "to bring heavy destruction on, to devastate".
So compared with Max's own terminology, references to broken noses and bleeding thighs seem rather low-key. True, he probably meant to write "ravished", but it's an intriguing slip-up, to say the least.
dude that denis guy is scary. it sorta made me sad to think that folks getting mad about something wrong means their feminazis. rape isnt okay, i mean...hello? a few nasty letters is nothing. what rights to be stripped of, the president still has a cock doesnt he? what an angry man. making fun of the author is great fun because he's insulting, he says that sex pleasure is not necessary. But women have died of rape. That doesnt propogate the species and give progeny a chance. Neither does a women who is killed or shamed in a highly conservative culture becuase the raped are considered to blame for the instigation. Hello, havent you ever heard of stonings? If you didnt know that before, well go look it up. The death or emotional destruction of a mother is not conducive to propagation of the species. Well ya know, nothing is necessary, anything can happen. Doesnt mean it should dude. At first the retorts were amusing and stuff but the guy thats all angry at women for being irritated at an obvious blunder...stripped of what rights? Can you be specific?
what a scary hateful man
i wonder if the author even cares anymore? I sure as hell wouldnt. Id be like whoops. guess i was wrong. rape fantasy not the same as rape. okee dokey. i wonder if he reads this stuff. hopefully a lightbulb went on while watching folks get all up on their hindlegs.
denis, what in the world are you talking about? what arena? what rights? what tactics? when did you have to face them? did you date a lesbian as a kid? whats the deal here...whats pussy wiped mean? why is this dude's article okay to you? what is good about the guys point? are you just on his side entirely apon the basis of his having of a cock? i mean really.
Whoever wrote this is a woman-hating fuckstick. I beg all women who come to this site (if any) to please realize most men find rape / rape fantasies just as repellent as you do.
And to Mr. Fuckstick,
Good luck in life. Sincerely. I really hope you get help for that condition. Otherwise, if ever you act on it, please remember that in certain states, women are allowed to carry .45cal rape medicine, for shitheads just like you.
"Yes, females are more receptive at some times, but the male in most of these species, especially primates, generally takes a female at his whim."
What? That's complete and utter rubbish. Did you just pull that out of your arse? Jesus christ, mate.
Take the fox, for example. He spends weeks tracking down and shadowing the vixen, waiting for that tiny window of approximately 3 days when she will be receptive to his advances. If he tries when she's not ready, she beats the shit out of him. I would hardly call that 'at his whim'. The vixen is calling all the shots.
As for primates, have you even heard of bonobos? Bloody hell.
I know it's tempting to use whatever rubbish you find to try and prop up your argument, but come on. Can't you spend at least 5 flipping minutes researching before you start spouting off like a tosser?
He's already had more than one professional biologist pointing out his elementary scientific errors - errors so basic that it sounds as though he came up with the conclusion first (women love it really) and then just made some shit up to support it, assuming that no-one would notice.
Whatever you think of the fantasies themselves, the reasoning behind them is clearly and provably wrong.
this is really bringing the community together.
rally round the moron!!
woop!
The editor of MND took this one on here.
Quote:
"In my opinion, many (if not most) of the 40-odd comments that now append Ross' article were off-base in that they attributed to him a desire to commit the unconscionable sin of rape."
Hey Max...
I'm a hetero male, "hardwired" for sexual conquest. What is your home address and when will you be home. Maybe then, you will know what it is to be "Ravaged". I'll ask Bubba to come around to. The "natural Order" dictates that you are also an asshole.
Well! I am a woman, and unlike a lot of other women, I am willing to admit that YES, MORE THAN ANYTHING I want the man I love to control me, possess me, dominate me, ravish me, overpower me. Not ANY man, but the man I love and trust.
I'd give anything if he'd do that, even if only one time. But he's always worried "I might hurt you" (ARGH!!)
And NO I'm not a feminist but I am a strong woman with a mind and a mouth and I know how to use BOTH! Feminists can all go to hell!
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