Good luck to you.

***I just wanted to say thank you. You offer rational, well thought out responses in your arguments.***

I want to accept your thank-you but I can’t. I just speak from me and I just use men’s sites to learn. I am not on either side. It is me who is thank-ful to you.

*** I can’t say I always agree with you, but then again, who agrees with someone else 100% of the time? I’m glad the MRA community has level-headed people like you on our side.***

Like …. I am not on any side. I am a counter feminist.

http://counterfem.blogspot.com/

I just wanted to say thank you. You offer rational, well thought out responses in your arguments. I can’t say I always agree with you, but then again, who agrees with someone else 100% of the time? I’m glad the MRA community has level-headed people like you on our side.

In the coming years I think this poster, Lola, is going to have to take a fine hard look at what feminism really stands for and how it will affect her sons. I think only when she starts seeing her sons being short-changed or railroaded by Western society will more of these things start to sink in for her. I don’t question her love for her children, but her lack of education for true male opinoin & Western society’s failure to address the problems that men face. And if she sticks around places like MND, glennsacks.com, fathers and famalies, radar, ned holstein, mensrights.org, she will start to slowly see some of the injustices that are built into Western society that paralize men, which our media and government do not want to admit.

Thanks again,

Cdub

No, not really. It is a joke. Plain and simple. Eventually, a scientist with scruples will win it and decline acceptance, in spite of the $$ that comes with it.

BTW- I’m nominating Barrack H. Obama for the Heisman Trophy. I mean, why not? He’s done as much to quailfy for it as he’s done to win the Nobel Prize.

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.com/2009/09/feminism-and-sex.html

That was a damn good comment. You didn’t just challenge Tonya but you kept to the post’s message. Keep it up. Wonderful!

***Radical feminism is AS BAD AS radical “machismo” (I think you say chauvinism)***

I agree.

***Both are evil, don´t know how or why you thing strong machism (like in deep Africa, swept by war, poverty and child abuse) is better than strong feminism. Never know.***

I don’t think that a strong macho society should rule. You seem to think there are only 2 choices. That we only have 2 extremes to choose between when we have the majority in the middle. Nothing wrong with the middle ground IMHO. None of us have to take the extreme if we don’t want to and there doesn’t have to be a them and us or you against me.

***You see feminism as a menace, I see a menace in whatever radical ideologies (and strong and primitive patriarcalism is one of them)
Regards***

I am with you on seeing all radical ideologies as a menace in society.

Feminine-ISM. Anything that ends in an ISM is already radical.

The suffragettes turned to an ISM. The men did the work for the suffragettes to exist. The suffragettes changed maternity care, they cared about breastfeeding, they cared about children, they cared abut women working, they did a lot of good for society since the early 1900’s. Feminists didn’t just take what man had provided but took what suffragettes had provided. They did high jack the humanity movement. The suffragettes were the ones who started ‘girl power’ and they wanted ‘children power’. Just look how the feminists treated their own sisters before them. Look how anti a whole gender they became.

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.com/2009/09/feminism-and-sex.html

Well Gee Tonya, since I pay taxes into VAWA, well, golly, it seems that I’ve paid into the running and maintainence of DV shelters for nigh 15 years.

Seems to me I shouldn’t have to go and “build my own” after paying for the one you got to stay in.

But, since you clearly don’t realize your bigotry – let’s try another tack:

Do you support “Separate but Equal” in other areas of society too? If so, how is your Klan membership holding up these days?

And no, cupcake, .. the “but, but, but, …. that’s different” explanation aint cuttin’ it.

Then Tonya tried the lame-old-female-tactic: Acuse those who disagree with you of a heinous crime to put them on the defensive:
“Why are you so angry? Did you abuse someone and a shelter helped her escape you?”

I notice 2 things in that rebuttal:

1) It seems that those who claim that DV is never falsely reported or lied about – … well, golly, they are the first to falsely accuse.

Thanks for proving our point.

2) Do you realize HOW far down the bigotry road you’ve gone when someone writes an article that SHOWS blatant discrimination and bigotry, and you AGREE with it. Further – that you attack the person who argues against that bigotry?

Wow, posts like yours are like caricatures – we couldn’t make this sh*t up – you’re like the best recruiting tool we have:

Absolute proof of the double standards, bigotry, prejudice, and hatred towards an entire population based solely on a genetic difference.

Thanks for playing Tonya, and thanks for the proof I can copy and paste to other sites that will bolster our arguments.

I swear, she’s proof positive that someplace on earth some primitive village is missing it’s town idiot.

Steven

***1) This is one conlusion from it: you said more or less …It is not real what you are telling that many (don´t know if most at all) women in the past survived and deal with dalily life and laws and conventionalities by manipulating their husbands………………….
Of course they did, it was almost the only way in some cases, they just adapted at how the world it was, I never put the blame in that behavior because Matriarchy hadn´t the power to change the status quo; but it was this way for sure, it is this way in many couples I know (I am forty, not as young as you think).***

(40’s a great age)

I could get into a whole lot about history for women. But I feel I am already overstepping the mark on this site with my comments. It is a men’s site afterall and us women can’t take over.

Why don’t you look over some other threads and ask some questions. You are fortunate to find this site because it has a lot of men with knowledge on it.

***2) “women are not available to bear power, they don´t want to”….
……………………
That is the statement which annoys me most; Do you mean NO ONE woman are capable of decide or rule an enterprise, a region, a court or even a country????
I know some of them don´t want to….but what about the rest??
Look at me I am bossy (I know I am) and ambitious….I love my profession (and my 2 children)
For good sake its 2009 and you are telling me I can´t be a boss because I am a woman and don´t want to????
Really, really, you must be joking¡¡***

You’ve read past me. I don’t think for one moment women shouldn’t hold powerful positions. I just don’t think most women want it, that’s all.

But you should talk to the radical feminists that run the human rights commissions around the world. They have big plans for women taking completely over. They say they want 50% of women in all power positions but very openly they will add, “If we can have it all, it would be great. Men had their turn”.

I think it is very obvious I would never support a Matriarchy although I live in one. (NZ is feminised completely, every square inch of society)

I think we should cap everything so that when women get to 50% the breaks go on. I don’t think radical feminism is the answer. It’s evil. And you are going to have to one day start thinking about you sons and their future.

***Amen sister.****

I gather you are talking to me? Hope so.

I would never condone what happened to you. (how’s that for an advocate) I am pleased you are a survivor and live to tell about it and I wish you all the best in life and that your children get to have good relations with the opposite sex when they grow up.

I am sorry to say, but I see you as part of the problem men don’t get help. Look at your bias already by putting your own personal into this. You put women and children as victims and say, “Why don’t you go and open a men’s shelter if you care.” You have come to the conclusion men who are also victims/survivors don’t fit in your work.

You haven’t even bothered to wonder why there were only 2 men in the refuge over several years. And you haven’t even bothered to wonder why we already don’t have men’s refuges.

You say the refuge you stayed in took 2 men over several years. I am surprised they took in any with their surrounding environment being so hostile towards men. There are very few man friendly places when it comes to DV. Just look at the pictures on the walls of all community centres and hospitals. Have you ever seen a poster suggesting men get battered too? Or have you only seen posters suggesting men stop battering women? What sort of message do you think that sends out to a male victims? Do you think he feels welcome to ask for help? Do you think he will risk his children to step forward?

Have you ever seen a TV commercial showing men as victims or are they always women and children suffering abuse from men?

Feminism is man=perpetrator and women and children=victim. And all those children who have to suffer (even as a spectator in fear) their fathers getting abused by their mother don’t even stand a chance because feminism will justify her behaviour and send him to prison. Yep, that is where the majority of abused men go. When the relationship is volatile because they both are to blame, he goes to prison, she goes to a refuge.

And starting men’s refuges is not the answer. England has a few men’s shelters and just like America taking men in, the men have to go through rigorous testing to make sure they are not the perpetrator or even 50% of the problem. Have you ever seen a woman have to prove to a refuge that she is a victim?

And what happens when the men’s refuge takes in a man and the controlling female abuser accuses him of abusing her or their children. What then? Is it interest group against interest group? Lobby groups against lobby groups? How will this affect all the other victims still needing to reach out?

The only solution is to have mixed genders in refuges. Take in both when both are dysfunctional. Help them as a family. The women is going to go back to the relationship on average 9 times because she knows it is not all one sided and either they will get well (even if that means breaking up once only, no back and forth) or someone dies.

Take in both male and female who are victims to men and women who go to prison. They will help each other heal well because neither will be able to hate the other gender when they see both are vulnerable. They will make the world better together rather than gendering domestic violence and keeping us stuck in the blame game.

Men’s refuges won’t work under feminist ideology because they won’t get the counselling as a victim.

It is a very tricky situation and I would be writing a post myself if I explained what women who run refuges discuss nationally.

So tell me. Are all your three children female? If not, what sort of future are you hoping for your son/s?

http://www.sheridanhill.com/batteredmen.html
http://www.oregoncounseling.org/Handouts/DomesticViolenceMen.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html
http://fathersforlife.org/fv/abuse_against_men_ignored.htm
http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm#domestic_violence
http://savefamily.org/index.php?Itemid=63&option=com_content

two important things I get form your last comment:

1) This is one conlusion from it: you said more or less …It is not real what you are telling that many (don´t know if most at all) women in the past survived and deal with dalily life and laws and conventionalities by manipulating their husbands………………….
Of course they did, it was almost the only way in some cases, they just adapted at how the world it was, I never put the blame in that behavior because Matriarchy hadn´t the power to change the status quo; but it was this way for sure, it is this way in many couples I know (I am forty, not as young as you think).

2) “women are not available to bear power, they don´t want to”….
……………………
That is the statement which annoys me most; Do you mean NO ONE woman are capable of decide or rule an enterprise, a region, a court or even a country????
I know some of them don´t want to….but what about the rest??
Look at me I am bossy (I know I am) and ambitious….I love my profession (and my 2 children)
For good sake its 2009 and you are telling me I can´t be a boss because I am a woman and don´t want to????
Really, really, you must be joking¡¡

Wow…someone missed the entire point of the post. Women this and women that. Violence against women is wrong but so is violence against men.

“Although there are many places that discrimination is a worthy topic, abuse shelters is not one of them.”

Bigoted people like you are the reason why people like me sue your ass and win. The shelters discriminated against men and they were sued and they lost. Get over it and get ready for more lawsuits while you’re at it.

People with common sense that are tired of the feminist hate movement threw a wrench in the propaganda machine. It doesn’t work anymore.

Can you please cite documentation for this “fact” ? And by abuse, do you mean physical violence or do you include arguments about credit card bills in the “abuse” category?

Jacquelyn Says:
“2) While women do get arrested on domestic violence charges, it is usually women in same-sex relationships.”

So… the only violent females are lesbians???

If you are so concerned about shelters for men, why don’t you start one and stop hating on women and children that need help.

Why are you so angry? Did you abuse someone and a shelter helped her escape you?

I think you composed yourself well making a comment to one of Carey’s posts. He is blunt (AND dearly needed) and it would hurt some if you work in a shelter and see bad cases. And for sure there are some bad ones out there.

But these stats have to go. You are on the internet now and the old ways of feminist research is outdated. Have you noticed the young people tuning out and being numb to feminism these days?

It is because they use their own mobile phone cameras to film the violence and put it on the web. There are thousands of videos online of women abusing men badly for no other reason than because they feel like it. No need for defence and feminists are not going to be believed if they try and justify it. Young people are not dumb just like us oldies.

Internationally American COPS and crime investigation documentaries show all over the world on people’s TVs. What you say is not what the world sees.

The facts are that most domestic violence happens in homes of dysfunction and both usually are the problem. Same attracts same. Addicts go out with addicts, alcoholics go out with alcoholics, hitters go out with hitters, damaged people find a way to find their peers and then to one far side is women who are true victims to violent men and on the other far side is men who are true victims to violent women.

If you really are a worker in domestic violence shelters you know this stuff. You don’t need to repeat statistics that you most likely didn’t research yourself and you may not even know who did.

You even have Tyra Banks (model) with her own TV show talking about women abusing men. She says, “Every 38 seconds a man is beaten by a woman in America”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScvFtAeN2c

Just for extra.

Here’s a video of the police receiving rape complaints on other police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgxwPU0W-Wg