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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by FraudBuster</title>
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		<description>DeeAnna you are correct the best course of action is to submit a complaint and let Ohio psychologist licensing board do an investigation and make a decision.

I hope that people visit the Allaboutcounseling.com website and if they do feel free to offer an opinon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeeAnna you are correct the best course of action is to submit a complaint and let Ohio psychologist licensing board do an investigation and make a decision.</p>
<p>I hope that people visit the Allaboutcounseling.com website and if they do feel free to offer an opinon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by Paul Elam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DeeAnna Merz Nagel

Thanks for you comments.  

One thing that is pretty clear regarding this particular site: Ohio is a mandatory reporting state.  According to my information, licensed professionals are compelled to report all forms of abuse and threats of abuse of which they are aware regardless of the presence or absence of a therapeutic relationship.

As I said in the article much of the other information needs to be evaluated by state officials because there are some unclear areas regarding online conduct.  

It appears that more clarification is needed in the Ohio code.  As it stands now, in Ohio and apparently other states the ambiguity in statutes makes it too easy for unscrupulous individuals to dance in and out of the gray areas, affording them abundant opportunity to victimized people with impunity.

As to the agreement?  For allaboutcounseling.com, there isn&#039;t one.  No disclaimer, no definitions, no nothing.  Just an invitation by counseling professionals to obtain support for solving life problems with the promise of safety and confidentiality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DeeAnna Merz Nagel</p>
<p>Thanks for you comments.  </p>
<p>One thing that is pretty clear regarding this particular site: Ohio is a mandatory reporting state.  According to my information, licensed professionals are compelled to report all forms of abuse and threats of abuse of which they are aware regardless of the presence or absence of a therapeutic relationship.</p>
<p>As I said in the article much of the other information needs to be evaluated by state officials because there are some unclear areas regarding online conduct.  </p>
<p>It appears that more clarification is needed in the Ohio code.  As it stands now, in Ohio and apparently other states the ambiguity in statutes makes it too easy for unscrupulous individuals to dance in and out of the gray areas, affording them abundant opportunity to victimized people with impunity.</p>
<p>As to the agreement?  For allaboutcounseling.com, there isn&#8217;t one.  No disclaimer, no definitions, no nothing.  Just an invitation by counseling professionals to obtain support for solving life problems with the promise of safety and confidentiality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VAWA Facilitated and Funded the Illegal Abduction of Madison Tenn by Kevin Merck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Merck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol Rhodes // Jan 29, 2007 at 1:04 pm 

&quot;It’s all about the money. 

It’s not about the kids, or the family, the constitution or even about law and order. The primary function of the Circuit Court’s Family Court System, is getting more kids on the roles so more money can be claimed from the Federal Tax prize. Every dollar that we Enforcement Officers collected was matched by $50+ dollars of tax benefits for our county Court System.

Custody and parenting time issues don’t bring in Federal dollars. 

My director told us that pursuing these complaints were a “waste of our time.” I was ordered-under penalty of punishment-”to stop getting involved” in what I thought was best for the children or their parents. We were brainwashed to avoid having personal knowledge or concern about the parties of cases. We were told to call and leave response messages when we thought it least likely that the inquiring party would be home [and then, of course, we couldn’t leave any substantive information]. 

The system smiled on us when we sent people to jail by issuing bench warrants for failure to appear in hearings we scheduled. Everything about office policy and procedure was designed to keep the parties to cases in the dark as to what they should or could do to protect themselves financially. 

It is a power game. 

The Court can change the rules at any time. There is no one who will ever question when the constitution or the laws are violated or misapplied by the Court. The only question asked in the FOC is whether all the options have been tried for increased child-support collections. People can be sentenced to jail illegally by the Court officers, and the Court will find a way to justify or spread the blame so thinly that no one is accountable. But if an officer of the Court is caught HELPING a party to a case understand his or her rights to petition the Court for a REDUCTION of support, that sin is punishable by firing and cover-up legal manuvering. [I was written up for merely giving both parties a list of office policy rules for what is or is not acceptable reasons to deny parenting time.] I was chastised on record that office policy was NEVER to be given out to parties of cases, or to any individuals outside the FOC office personnel. 

Our 37th Circuit Court FOC was a model to other counties all across Michigan. We trained other officers from other states and counties. We weren’t the exception, we were the ideal of efficient FOC operation.

Young parents need to know that signing the form to consent to have the Friend of the Court [or any Title IV D “service”] become involved IS OPTIONAL. You do NOT HAVE to allow the Friend of the Court to take over your children as Wards of the Court unless one of the parents fills out and signs the form. Your attorney and your FOC will never tell you that, but smart attorneys ALWAYS opt out of the FOC services. Most people don’t know what they are getting into before it is too late.&quot;




Child support is the reason this extortion racket exists. Equating the payment of child support with “helping your children” is on the same level as saying that supporting slavery is helping the enslaved. 

It’s not much use arguing with people on this issue, either you get it, or you don’t. The best I’ve heard it said is “Never confuse child support with helping your children”.  By paying child support you’re insuring that millions of future fathers and children will be separated from each other for profit. 

Carol Rhodes claims that upwards of $50 of tax benefits are claimed for every dollar of child support extorted. It doesn’t take a genius to do the math. By paying child support you are perpetuating an industry that will become more and more oppressive and will eventually bleed the country dry in the purported “best interests of children”. Many states now rely heavily on this money just to survive. 

As for not paying income taxes to a government that just stole your children from you for profit or has denied you the equal protection of its laws, let your conscience be your guide. There are plenty of reasons to stop financing this runaway government. Watch “The Money Masters” on Google Video. It may change your perception of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol Rhodes // Jan 29, 2007 at 1:04 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s all about the money. </p>
<p>It’s not about the kids, or the family, the constitution or even about law and order. The primary function of the Circuit Court’s Family Court System, is getting more kids on the roles so more money can be claimed from the Federal Tax prize. Every dollar that we Enforcement Officers collected was matched by $50+ dollars of tax benefits for our county Court System.</p>
<p>Custody and parenting time issues don’t bring in Federal dollars. </p>
<p>My director told us that pursuing these complaints were a “waste of our time.” I was ordered-under penalty of punishment-”to stop getting involved” in what I thought was best for the children or their parents. We were brainwashed to avoid having personal knowledge or concern about the parties of cases. We were told to call and leave response messages when we thought it least likely that the inquiring party would be home [and then, of course, we couldn’t leave any substantive information]. </p>
<p>The system smiled on us when we sent people to jail by issuing bench warrants for failure to appear in hearings we scheduled. Everything about office policy and procedure was designed to keep the parties to cases in the dark as to what they should or could do to protect themselves financially. </p>
<p>It is a power game. </p>
<p>The Court can change the rules at any time. There is no one who will ever question when the constitution or the laws are violated or misapplied by the Court. The only question asked in the FOC is whether all the options have been tried for increased child-support collections. People can be sentenced to jail illegally by the Court officers, and the Court will find a way to justify or spread the blame so thinly that no one is accountable. But if an officer of the Court is caught HELPING a party to a case understand his or her rights to petition the Court for a REDUCTION of support, that sin is punishable by firing and cover-up legal manuvering. [I was written up for merely giving both parties a list of office policy rules for what is or is not acceptable reasons to deny parenting time.] I was chastised on record that office policy was NEVER to be given out to parties of cases, or to any individuals outside the FOC office personnel. </p>
<p>Our 37th Circuit Court FOC was a model to other counties all across Michigan. We trained other officers from other states and counties. We weren’t the exception, we were the ideal of efficient FOC operation.</p>
<p>Young parents need to know that signing the form to consent to have the Friend of the Court [or any Title IV D “service”] become involved IS OPTIONAL. You do NOT HAVE to allow the Friend of the Court to take over your children as Wards of the Court unless one of the parents fills out and signs the form. Your attorney and your FOC will never tell you that, but smart attorneys ALWAYS opt out of the FOC services. Most people don’t know what they are getting into before it is too late.&#8221;</p>
<p>Child support is the reason this extortion racket exists. Equating the payment of child support with “helping your children” is on the same level as saying that supporting slavery is helping the enslaved. </p>
<p>It’s not much use arguing with people on this issue, either you get it, or you don’t. The best I’ve heard it said is “Never confuse child support with helping your children”.  By paying child support you’re insuring that millions of future fathers and children will be separated from each other for profit. </p>
<p>Carol Rhodes claims that upwards of $50 of tax benefits are claimed for every dollar of child support extorted. It doesn’t take a genius to do the math. By paying child support you are perpetuating an industry that will become more and more oppressive and will eventually bleed the country dry in the purported “best interests of children”. Many states now rely heavily on this money just to survive. </p>
<p>As for not paying income taxes to a government that just stole your children from you for profit or has denied you the equal protection of its laws, let your conscience be your guide. There are plenty of reasons to stop financing this runaway government. Watch “The Money Masters” on Google Video. It may change your perception of history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do PC Feminists Really Think Women are Too Weak&#8230;or Just Too Special? by Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of our &quot;leaders&quot; in both parties are of the older baby boomer generation. Both men and women in the Democratic Party are strongly loyal to the feminists such as N.O.W., Feminist Majority, etc. Both men and women in the GOP see women as a special protected class. Both often see women as superior. The Democrats are made up of feminists and manginas. The GOP is made up of chivalrists. Both get to the same end (female advantage of women over men) via diffferent pathways. We need a new generation in power that does not have a blind spot in their thinking about what feminism is truly about and what it has been doing all these many years.

Go to:

http://www.henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html

Feminism is the Key to &quot;Making of a Slave&quot;

By Henry Makow Ph.D.:

Past methods of enslavement were highly sophisticated, and closely resemble modern feminist social engineering. 

Willie Lynch was a British slave owner in the West Indies. He was invited to the colony of Virginia in 1712 to teach his methods to slave owners there. 

He advised slave owners to foster division, &quot;fear, envy and distrust for control.&quot; Pit young versus old, light skinned versus dark skinned and most importantly, male versus female. 

In a section called &quot;The Breaking Process of the African Woman,&quot;  he advocated shifting her dependency from the African male to the slave owner.  This is achieved by beating and humiliating the male in front of the female. Then, beating the female if she doesn&#039;t get the message. This instills a kind of frigidity. 

&quot;We reversed nature by burning and pulling a civilized nigger apart, and bull whipping the other to the point of death, all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with the male image destroyed, the ordeal caused her to move from her psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state. In this frozen psychological state of independence, she will raise her male and female offspring in reverse roles.&quot;

&quot;For fear of the young male&#039;s life she will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent, but physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her female offspring to be psychologically independent. What have you got? You&#039;ve got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man behind and scared. This is a perfect situation of sound sleep and economic.&quot;

She will teach her female offspring &quot;to be like herself, independent and negotiable (...we negotiate her at will.)&quot; She will raise her &quot;nigger male offspring to be mentally dependent and weak, but physically strong, in other words body over mind.&quot; 

&quot;We will mate and breed them and continue the cycle. This is good and sound and long range comprehensive planning.&quot;

Sound familiar?  We recognize these patterns in the US Black community, and, thanks to the hidden agenda of feminism, increasingly in the White. 


AVOIDING SELF CORRECTION

&quot;Willie Lynch&quot; starts to sound like the Cabalist author of &quot;The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.&quot; 

&quot;By reversing the positions of the male and female savages, we created an orbited cycle that turns on its own axis forever..&quot; But &quot;our experts&quot; warned us of the danger that the mind might correct itself  &quot;if it can touch some substantial historical base.&quot; They advised us to &quot;shave off the brute&#039;s mental history and create a multiplicity of phenomena of illusions, so that each illusion will twirl in its own orbit, sometimes similar to floating balls in a vacuum.&quot;

I haven&#039;t heard our society described better. Our collective identity (race, religion,nation and family) is being systematically erased and replaced by air. &quot;To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas...&quot; G. Brock Chisholm, psychiatrist and co-founder of the World Federation of Mental Health. 

Lynch goes on to promote interracial breeding so the slaves are different shades of color befitting different levels of labor &quot;and different values of illusion at each connecting level of labor.&quot;  

&quot;Cross breeding niggers means taking so many drops of good white blood and putting them into as many nigger women as possible, varying the drops by the various tones that you want, and then letting them breed with each other until another cycle of color appears as you desire.&quot;

In Orwellian fashion, Lynch concludes by stressing the importance of creating a new language befitting slavery. &quot;We must completely annihilate the mother tongue of the new nigger...&quot;
Again sounding like a Cabalist, he says, &quot;language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the heart of a people. The more a foreigner knows about the language of a country the more he is able to move through all levels of that society. Therefore if the foreigner is an enemy, the country is vulnerable to attack or invasion of a foreign culture.&quot;

For example, the slave should learn the term &quot;hog pen&quot; but never &quot;house.&quot; 

CONCLUSION 

Some people think this speech is apocryphal. The language has been modernized. Was the term &quot;nigger&quot; used in 1712?  

However, Blacks seem to think the speech is genuine. It is on many Black websites.

The point is that we are being socially engineered to be slaves in much the same way as Blacks were, and by the very same people. 

The modern female has been &quot;frozen psychologically&quot; and now depends on the slave owner (government, corporation) for her security. The modern male is emasculated, strong in body but not in mind, grateful to be allowed to serve a master, often a woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of our &#8220;leaders&#8221; in both parties are of the older baby boomer generation. Both men and women in the Democratic Party are strongly loyal to the feminists such as N.O.W., Feminist Majority, etc. Both men and women in the GOP see women as a special protected class. Both often see women as superior. The Democrats are made up of feminists and manginas. The GOP is made up of chivalrists. Both get to the same end (female advantage of women over men) via diffferent pathways. We need a new generation in power that does not have a blind spot in their thinking about what feminism is truly about and what it has been doing all these many years.</p>
<p>Go to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html</a></p>
<p>Feminism is the Key to &#8220;Making of a Slave&#8221;</p>
<p>By Henry Makow Ph.D.:</p>
<p>Past methods of enslavement were highly sophisticated, and closely resemble modern feminist social engineering. </p>
<p>Willie Lynch was a British slave owner in the West Indies. He was invited to the colony of Virginia in 1712 to teach his methods to slave owners there. </p>
<p>He advised slave owners to foster division, &#8220;fear, envy and distrust for control.&#8221; Pit young versus old, light skinned versus dark skinned and most importantly, male versus female. </p>
<p>In a section called &#8220;The Breaking Process of the African Woman,&#8221;  he advocated shifting her dependency from the African male to the slave owner.  This is achieved by beating and humiliating the male in front of the female. Then, beating the female if she doesn&#8217;t get the message. This instills a kind of frigidity. </p>
<p>&#8220;We reversed nature by burning and pulling a civilized nigger apart, and bull whipping the other to the point of death, all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with the male image destroyed, the ordeal caused her to move from her psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state. In this frozen psychological state of independence, she will raise her male and female offspring in reverse roles.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;For fear of the young male&#8217;s life she will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent, but physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her female offspring to be psychologically independent. What have you got? You&#8217;ve got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man behind and scared. This is a perfect situation of sound sleep and economic.&#8221;</p>
<p>She will teach her female offspring &#8220;to be like herself, independent and negotiable (&#8230;we negotiate her at will.)&#8221; She will raise her &#8220;nigger male offspring to be mentally dependent and weak, but physically strong, in other words body over mind.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;We will mate and breed them and continue the cycle. This is good and sound and long range comprehensive planning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sound familiar?  We recognize these patterns in the US Black community, and, thanks to the hidden agenda of feminism, increasingly in the White. </p>
<p>AVOIDING SELF CORRECTION</p>
<p>&#8220;Willie Lynch&#8221; starts to sound like the Cabalist author of &#8220;The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;By reversing the positions of the male and female savages, we created an orbited cycle that turns on its own axis forever..&#8221; But &#8220;our experts&#8221; warned us of the danger that the mind might correct itself  &#8220;if it can touch some substantial historical base.&#8221; They advised us to &#8220;shave off the brute&#8217;s mental history and create a multiplicity of phenomena of illusions, so that each illusion will twirl in its own orbit, sometimes similar to floating balls in a vacuum.&#8221;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard our society described better. Our collective identity (race, religion,nation and family) is being systematically erased and replaced by air. &#8220;To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas&#8230;&#8221; G. Brock Chisholm, psychiatrist and co-founder of the World Federation of Mental Health. </p>
<p>Lynch goes on to promote interracial breeding so the slaves are different shades of color befitting different levels of labor &#8220;and different values of illusion at each connecting level of labor.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Cross breeding niggers means taking so many drops of good white blood and putting them into as many nigger women as possible, varying the drops by the various tones that you want, and then letting them breed with each other until another cycle of color appears as you desire.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Orwellian fashion, Lynch concludes by stressing the importance of creating a new language befitting slavery. &#8220;We must completely annihilate the mother tongue of the new nigger&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Again sounding like a Cabalist, he says, &#8220;language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the heart of a people. The more a foreigner knows about the language of a country the more he is able to move through all levels of that society. Therefore if the foreigner is an enemy, the country is vulnerable to attack or invasion of a foreign culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>For example, the slave should learn the term &#8220;hog pen&#8221; but never &#8220;house.&#8221; </p>
<p>CONCLUSION </p>
<p>Some people think this speech is apocryphal. The language has been modernized. Was the term &#8220;nigger&#8221; used in 1712?  </p>
<p>However, Blacks seem to think the speech is genuine. It is on many Black websites.</p>
<p>The point is that we are being socially engineered to be slaves in much the same way as Blacks were, and by the very same people. </p>
<p>The modern female has been &#8220;frozen psychologically&#8221; and now depends on the slave owner (government, corporation) for her security. The modern male is emasculated, strong in body but not in mind, grateful to be allowed to serve a master, often a woman.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by DeeAnna Merz Nagel</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeeAnna Merz Nagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also depends on what the agreement says...and without knowing the details of this site, the intentions, the terms of use, etc I would not want to speculate whether this particular site has breached ethical codes. And the legal end is best left up to formal proceedings. My comments are made in summary and in general. I am not at all suggesting that professionals can not or should not provide self-help information or help people achieve peer support with one another. I am suggesting that in doing so, certain ethical and legal responsibilities may ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also depends on what the agreement says&#8230;and without knowing the details of this site, the intentions, the terms of use, etc I would not want to speculate whether this particular site has breached ethical codes. And the legal end is best left up to formal proceedings. My comments are made in summary and in general. I am not at all suggesting that professionals can not or should not provide self-help information or help people achieve peer support with one another. I am suggesting that in doing so, certain ethical and legal responsibilities may ensue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VAWA Facilitated and Funded the Illegal Abduction of Madison Tenn by Robert Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off , the only reason  the GiSKERS( government sponsored kidnaping and extortion racket) want to put this guy is prison, is to A) shut him up, which they won&#039;t do B) punish him for fighting them and C) intimidate anyone else who follows his example.
Apparently these idiots have not studied history and either don&#039;t know about human nature or try like hell to ignore it.  They either don&#039;t know or will not acknowledge that they are eventually going to lose!  Human nature , their own greed and selfishness will be their undoing.  I once asked a man on a bus, &quot; what is more dangerous, a terrorist with a bomb, redneck with a rope, or a woman( or man) with three starving children.  It is the parent, the terrorist can be negotiated with, the redneck can get a beer, but is you start messing with peoples children you endanger yourself, no matter how much security you have or how many  goons with guns you surround yourself, you will get yours.  Nothing on Gods green earth will protect you and if you do this to Millions , like the GiSKERS have , then that punishment will very severe.  These idiots will be lucky if they live long enough to stand trial, most will simply die a slow and agonizing death at the hands of the people they hurt.  And they will richly deserve it!
Now as for Mr Merck suggestion, parts of it, does have merit.  Do stop hiring lawyer , for two reasons, #1 they are too expensive, #2 They are officers of the court and do not work for you, no matter how much money you pay them, always...... always they will not bit the hand that feeds them, they will... if it is a choice,   Then you will get eaten.
As far as not paying child support, you can legally get out of paying this government sponsored extortion, ie most judgments and that is what a child support order is, are infact voids and can be gotten rid of.
But you need to consider one thing, the original purpose of child support was a good one and just because the system is total fraud and racket  and tried to steal you blind,  you should still take care of your children.  We should not do, what the feminazi&#039;s have done, demand rights and then not be willing to take the responsibility incumbent on having those rights.  Doing what is right, brings credibility to our cause, and besides you have the right, via a Supreme Court ruling to make private arrangements, arrangements that are fair and equitable and will work to restore and protect your rights.  This way, will put enormous pressure on the kidnapping and extortion racket by taking away their most convincing claim. ie Men will not pay and take care of their children if we don&#039;t make them.
As far as not paying income taxes, well I don&#039; know, some of my crazy patriot friend have stopped paying taxes and noone has come to toss them in the jailhouse yet...  Yet!  So, don&#039;t do that , for the same reason you should not stop supporting your kids, it lend credence and credibility to our belief that we are the best parents for our kids and the state is our servant , not our master and it is our country , not theirs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off , the only reason  the GiSKERS( government sponsored kidnaping and extortion racket) want to put this guy is prison, is to A) shut him up, which they won&#8217;t do B) punish him for fighting them and C) intimidate anyone else who follows his example.<br />
Apparently these idiots have not studied history and either don&#8217;t know about human nature or try like hell to ignore it.  They either don&#8217;t know or will not acknowledge that they are eventually going to lose!  Human nature , their own greed and selfishness will be their undoing.  I once asked a man on a bus, &#8221; what is more dangerous, a terrorist with a bomb, redneck with a rope, or a woman( or man) with three starving children.  It is the parent, the terrorist can be negotiated with, the redneck can get a beer, but is you start messing with peoples children you endanger yourself, no matter how much security you have or how many  goons with guns you surround yourself, you will get yours.  Nothing on Gods green earth will protect you and if you do this to Millions , like the GiSKERS have , then that punishment will very severe.  These idiots will be lucky if they live long enough to stand trial, most will simply die a slow and agonizing death at the hands of the people they hurt.  And they will richly deserve it!<br />
Now as for Mr Merck suggestion, parts of it, does have merit.  Do stop hiring lawyer , for two reasons, #1 they are too expensive, #2 They are officers of the court and do not work for you, no matter how much money you pay them, always&#8230;&#8230; always they will not bit the hand that feeds them, they will&#8230; if it is a choice,   Then you will get eaten.<br />
As far as not paying child support, you can legally get out of paying this government sponsored extortion, ie most judgments and that is what a child support order is, are infact voids and can be gotten rid of.<br />
But you need to consider one thing, the original purpose of child support was a good one and just because the system is total fraud and racket  and tried to steal you blind,  you should still take care of your children.  We should not do, what the feminazi&#8217;s have done, demand rights and then not be willing to take the responsibility incumbent on having those rights.  Doing what is right, brings credibility to our cause, and besides you have the right, via a Supreme Court ruling to make private arrangements, arrangements that are fair and equitable and will work to restore and protect your rights.  This way, will put enormous pressure on the kidnapping and extortion racket by taking away their most convincing claim. ie Men will not pay and take care of their children if we don&#8217;t make them.<br />
As far as not paying income taxes, well I don&#8217; know, some of my crazy patriot friend have stopped paying taxes and noone has come to toss them in the jailhouse yet&#8230;  Yet!  So, don&#8217;t do that , for the same reason you should not stop supporting your kids, it lend credence and credibility to our belief that we are the best parents for our kids and the state is our servant , not our master and it is our country , not theirs!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by FraudBuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>FraudBuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeeAnna Merz Nagel- Thank you for answering the question &quot;When does the therapeutic relationship begin&quot;. 

After one decides to create a nick name so they can log in to AAC they must push a button agreeing to to accept the guidelines. In my opinion this is a written agreement. After that it is reasonable for anyone to expect that the guiidelines will be upheld. But, they are not, the Site Coordinator logs on and uses abusive, foul language as well as publicaly condemning, yelling at and judging others, etc. The site administrators violate their own policy. 

I totally agree with you about anyone who gave the site money had officially entered into a therapeutic relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeeAnna Merz Nagel- Thank you for answering the question &#8220;When does the therapeutic relationship begin&#8221;. </p>
<p>After one decides to create a nick name so they can log in to AAC they must push a button agreeing to to accept the guidelines. In my opinion this is a written agreement. After that it is reasonable for anyone to expect that the guiidelines will be upheld. But, they are not, the Site Coordinator logs on and uses abusive, foul language as well as publicaly condemning, yelling at and judging others, etc. The site administrators violate their own policy. </p>
<p>I totally agree with you about anyone who gave the site money had officially entered into a therapeutic relationship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Government As Narcotics Dealer by Kevin Merck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Merck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out “The Creature from Jekyll Island” and “The Money Masters” on Google Video or on YouTube if you want to watch them in segments.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Capitalist Excess? A Review of Michael Moore&#8217;s &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Squiggy it is not that the economic argument is wrong or not, it is just that I don&#039;t trust this source. 

Let me explain. Just about everything I know about the world comes from someone else telling me something. I, and indeed probably most of us, have little first hand knowledge of anything. I therefore adopt a very high standard before I accept what I am told. So suppose I read something that was 90% convincing but then had 10% in it I either knew was wrong or I thought showed the author bias then I would not cherry pick from what I had read but dismiss it all as the source would then in my judgement be unreliable.

This might seem an eccentric approach but it is how I choose to access things. Don&#039;t misunderstand this as a lack of militancy on my part. Rather it is an independence of mind and a resistance to letting any body else insert a thought into my head without my being absolutely sure that I want it there.

All this hardly matters though. I am well aware of my own insignificance so what is in my mind has no importance to anyone else other than me.

That said, most of history has been very troubles. If I was writing this 70 years ago we would be at the start of a war which would see the violent deaths of many people. May be again we are at such a point and the future will be a&#039; dark age&#039;. If I have to bet on it I would say it is more likely than not.

By the way I live in Europe so everything I know about the USA comes from what people tell me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Squiggy it is not that the economic argument is wrong or not, it is just that I don&#8217;t trust this source. </p>
<p>Let me explain. Just about everything I know about the world comes from someone else telling me something. I, and indeed probably most of us, have little first hand knowledge of anything. I therefore adopt a very high standard before I accept what I am told. So suppose I read something that was 90% convincing but then had 10% in it I either knew was wrong or I thought showed the author bias then I would not cherry pick from what I had read but dismiss it all as the source would then in my judgement be unreliable.</p>
<p>This might seem an eccentric approach but it is how I choose to access things. Don&#8217;t misunderstand this as a lack of militancy on my part. Rather it is an independence of mind and a resistance to letting any body else insert a thought into my head without my being absolutely sure that I want it there.</p>
<p>All this hardly matters though. I am well aware of my own insignificance so what is in my mind has no importance to anyone else other than me.</p>
<p>That said, most of history has been very troubles. If I was writing this 70 years ago we would be at the start of a war which would see the violent deaths of many people. May be again we are at such a point and the future will be a&#8217; dark age&#8217;. If I have to bet on it I would say it is more likely than not.</p>
<p>By the way I live in Europe so everything I know about the USA comes from what people tell me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by DeeAnna Merz Nagel</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeeAnna Merz Nagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for bringing this very important topic to light. I have been training therapists for years regarding the ethical practice of online counseling. And while sites like the one you mention are not necessarily providing online counseling, the professional whose credentials are associated with the support offered to consumers does have certain ethical responsibilities in my opinion. Maintaining confidentiality via encrypted websites and practicing due diligence with concerns that may arise on any forum, discussion boards, chat room or other communication delivery method that the professional is hosting is very important. 

The question often becomes, &quot;When does the therapeutic relationship begin?&quot; Most clinicians seem to think that the formal written agreement and informed consent is what begins this therapeutic process but if there is any expectation on the part of the consumer that a site is hosted or facilitated by a licensed professional will offer any palliative cure, then the clinician may be considered to have entered into a therapeutic relationship, particularly if money transactions have taken place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for bringing this very important topic to light. I have been training therapists for years regarding the ethical practice of online counseling. And while sites like the one you mention are not necessarily providing online counseling, the professional whose credentials are associated with the support offered to consumers does have certain ethical responsibilities in my opinion. Maintaining confidentiality via encrypted websites and practicing due diligence with concerns that may arise on any forum, discussion boards, chat room or other communication delivery method that the professional is hosting is very important. </p>
<p>The question often becomes, &#8220;When does the therapeutic relationship begin?&#8221; Most clinicians seem to think that the formal written agreement and informed consent is what begins this therapeutic process but if there is any expectation on the part of the consumer that a site is hosted or facilitated by a licensed professional will offer any palliative cure, then the clinician may be considered to have entered into a therapeutic relationship, particularly if money transactions have taken place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Capitalist Excess? A Review of Michael Moore&#8217;s &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; by Squiggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squiggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For me the article was spoilt by the repartition of statistics about how many people where killed by regimes the author does not like.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the reason you call the article &quot;unreliable&quot;?  Sounds to me like you are ignoring the valid points.  How does the &quot;repartition of statistics&quot; invalidate his economic points?

Corporate excess can obviously be a bad thing - he says this straight up.  But freedom and private ownership have turned the world around.  Most of human history has been a dark depressing series of tyrants forcing their will onto the masses.  Then America comes along and slowly changes things for the entire planet.  

But then, out of nowhere comes &quot;Hope and Change&quot;, and our freedoms disappear one at a time.  You guys are so blinded you will not see.  Just because it looks like a benevolent dictatorship, you&#039;re okay with it.  I wish there was some way to make this neo-Wiemar Republic only happen to the hopeychangey crowd, but there&#039;s not.  So I have to fight it to save my children from living in a very different reality than I was blessed with.

Please wake up - we don&#039;t have much time left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For me the article was spoilt by the repartition of statistics about how many people where killed by regimes the author does not like.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the reason you call the article &#8220;unreliable&#8221;?  Sounds to me like you are ignoring the valid points.  How does the &#8220;repartition of statistics&#8221; invalidate his economic points?</p>
<p>Corporate excess can obviously be a bad thing &#8211; he says this straight up.  But freedom and private ownership have turned the world around.  Most of human history has been a dark depressing series of tyrants forcing their will onto the masses.  Then America comes along and slowly changes things for the entire planet.  </p>
<p>But then, out of nowhere comes &#8220;Hope and Change&#8221;, and our freedoms disappear one at a time.  You guys are so blinded you will not see.  Just because it looks like a benevolent dictatorship, you&#8217;re okay with it.  I wish there was some way to make this neo-Wiemar Republic only happen to the hopeychangey crowd, but there&#8217;s not.  So I have to fight it to save my children from living in a very different reality than I was blessed with.</p>
<p>Please wake up &#8211; we don&#8217;t have much time left.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do PC Feminists Really Think Women are Too Weak&#8230;or Just Too Special? by julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice comments above. Just to add.... :D

Feminism is considered by a lot of males and females (of many ages) to be about equality. But it is not about equality. 

The feminists who are aware of feminism as in studying it, already indoctrinated into it and in hierarchy positions .. stand proud and say, &quot;Females would be better at running the world than men and if we can get 100% women in hierarchy positions, we will run the world&quot;. 

Nothing feminists do is for sharing with males. Everything they touch is made out to be 50% equality for women but in reality once they move in they change the way things work so that women are put at an advantage and ... it doesn&#039;t stop at 50% but goes up and up in female dominance. 

Once they have changed the way an area works and females are showing around 80% leadership, they move onto the next thing and change that. This is why they choose to show their statistics a certain way like the wage gap. It is incorrect in all normal people&#039;s eyes but it is correct for female dominance. 

They beleive men have had their turn and it is now females turn. 

...........

The also believe females are superior to males. And they practice hating what is masculine while they teach men have deliberately kept females from their rightful place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice comments above. Just to add&#8230;. <img src='http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Feminism is considered by a lot of males and females (of many ages) to be about equality. But it is not about equality. </p>
<p>The feminists who are aware of feminism as in studying it, already indoctrinated into it and in hierarchy positions .. stand proud and say, &#8220;Females would be better at running the world than men and if we can get 100% women in hierarchy positions, we will run the world&#8221;. </p>
<p>Nothing feminists do is for sharing with males. Everything they touch is made out to be 50% equality for women but in reality once they move in they change the way things work so that women are put at an advantage and &#8230; it doesn&#8217;t stop at 50% but goes up and up in female dominance. </p>
<p>Once they have changed the way an area works and females are showing around 80% leadership, they move onto the next thing and change that. This is why they choose to show their statistics a certain way like the wage gap. It is incorrect in all normal people&#8217;s eyes but it is correct for female dominance. </p>
<p>They beleive men have had their turn and it is now females turn. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>The also believe females are superior to males. And they practice hating what is masculine while they teach men have deliberately kept females from their rightful place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jailed father&#8217;s hunger strike, 125 days and counting by poiuyt</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/29/jailed-fathers-hunger-strike-125-days-and-counting/comment-page-1/#comment-76133</link>
		<dc:creator>poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The male genderclass cannot even begin to contemplate what is really happening to them in general terms.Their rights and standing as citizens are being yanked from beneath them day by day by day. In many different ways.

An example of male enfellonisation is of the would-be thief forced into robbery by arbitrary child support and alimoney demands. We see right here the amorality of the position males are forced into. IT DOESNT MATTER TO THE INSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES WHERE THE ALIMONEY OR CHILD SUPPORT COMES FROM. IT COULD BE BLOOD MONEY FOR ALL THEY CARE.

The other example given by the chris brown and rhianna saga is but the tip of an iceburg, illustrative of the dehumanisation of males and the abbrogation of their constitutional rights. 

By incremental outlawing, systemic biasing, gerrymandering and overt misandric discrimination, males in western societies are approaching the point of no redemption. This is happening because their countries are being overwhelmed by international socialism, masked as feminism.

Ever increasingly, males are being systematically disenfranchied as a political class by their ever increasing enfelloniasation. Because every time a man is incriminated or criminalised, he looses his right to vote, thus reducing the &quot;total male vote&quot; and the &quot;total male suffrage right&quot; as a proportion.

And simultaneously the &quot;total female vote&quot; and the &quot;total female suffrage right&quot; as a proportion, is simultaneously ever increasing; because female crimes and female incrimination is being exponetially reduced and minimised systematically. This gerrymandering process preserves the appearance of legality for international socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The male genderclass cannot even begin to contemplate what is really happening to them in general terms.Their rights and standing as citizens are being yanked from beneath them day by day by day. In many different ways.</p>
<p>An example of male enfellonisation is of the would-be thief forced into robbery by arbitrary child support and alimoney demands. We see right here the amorality of the position males are forced into. IT DOESNT MATTER TO THE INSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES WHERE THE ALIMONEY OR CHILD SUPPORT COMES FROM. IT COULD BE BLOOD MONEY FOR ALL THEY CARE.</p>
<p>The other example given by the chris brown and rhianna saga is but the tip of an iceburg, illustrative of the dehumanisation of males and the abbrogation of their constitutional rights. </p>
<p>By incremental outlawing, systemic biasing, gerrymandering and overt misandric discrimination, males in western societies are approaching the point of no redemption. This is happening because their countries are being overwhelmed by international socialism, masked as feminism.</p>
<p>Ever increasingly, males are being systematically disenfranchied as a political class by their ever increasing enfelloniasation. Because every time a man is incriminated or criminalised, he looses his right to vote, thus reducing the &#8220;total male vote&#8221; and the &#8220;total male suffrage right&#8221; as a proportion.</p>
<p>And simultaneously the &#8220;total female vote&#8221; and the &#8220;total female suffrage right&#8221; as a proportion, is simultaneously ever increasing; because female crimes and female incrimination is being exponetially reduced and minimised systematically. This gerrymandering process preserves the appearance of legality for international socialism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do PC Feminists Really Think Women are Too Weak&#8230;or Just Too Special? by poiuyt</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/11/07/do-pc-feminists-really-think-women-are-too-weak-or-just-too-special/comment-page-1/#comment-76132</link>
		<dc:creator>poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1
You cannot hold posession of, without a females&#039; adverse rights and privileges against you, property, income, or pensions. 

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You cannot hold posession of, without a females&#039; adverse rights and privileges against you, arms or weapons.

3
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, certain classes of office or employment requiring certain security clearances.

4
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, professional, vocational, motoring, driving or other licenses. You cannot even hold a passport.

5
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own inheritances and heirlooms.

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You cannot even hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own flesh and blood in progeny.

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You cannot even hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own life and liberty.</description>
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You cannot hold posession of, without a females&#8217; adverse rights and privileges against you, property, income, or pensions. </p>
<p>2<br />
You cannot hold posession of, without a females&#8217; adverse rights and privileges against you, arms or weapons.</p>
<p>3<br />
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, certain classes of office or employment requiring certain security clearances.</p>
<p>4<br />
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, professional, vocational, motoring, driving or other licenses. You cannot even hold a passport.</p>
<p>5<br />
You cannot hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own inheritances and heirlooms.</p>
<p>6<br />
You cannot even hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own flesh and blood in progeny.</p>
<p>7<br />
You cannot even hold posession of, without a females adverse rights and privileges against you, your very own life and liberty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Allaboutcounseling.com is All About Hating Men and Exploiting Women by Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? &#124; MND: Your Daily Dose of Counter-Theory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? &#124; MND: Your Daily Dose of Counter-Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] events began as an almost routine story about a mental health advocacy website spreading disinformation about domestic violence that [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who are River Smith and Heidi Raynor and What Kind of Cult are They Running? by Paul Elam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Elam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to add to this post some public thanks to some very private people.  There were three different people who were of invaluable help in gathering information and fact checking this story, as well as providing intelligence that otherwise would not have been available.

To FraudBuster and the others, a thousand thanks and much appreciation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to add to this post some public thanks to some very private people.  There were three different people who were of invaluable help in gathering information and fact checking this story, as well as providing intelligence that otherwise would not have been available.</p>
<p>To FraudBuster and the others, a thousand thanks and much appreciation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do PC Feminists Really Think Women are Too Weak&#8230;or Just Too Special? by DcFather</title>
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		<dc:creator>DcFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since men die seven years younger than women, men should get social security and other retirement benefits sever years before women do.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Cleaning This Gun and the Protective/Threatening Father by Rick</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/13/cleaning-this-gun-and-the-protectivethreatening-father/comment-page-1/#comment-76126</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the issues and discussions concerning whether it is morally justifiable for &quot;dad&quot; to protect daughter&#039;s virtue, the fact is this song (like many others on the radio) advocates/lends approval to acts or threatened acts that are against the law.  Period.  End of any other concievable justifications.  This song tells us it&#039;s OK to tell anther person that if they don&#039;t behave in a certain way, deadly force may be used against them.  &quot;It&#039;s all in fun, nobody&#039;s gonna get hurt&quot; (or words close to that, if memory serves me correct) are heard towards the end of the song.  If it were me picking up this guy&#039;s daughter and heard those words, my cell phone would be out calling the police within seconds, and I can also say with some certainty that this girl would be having some difficuly in getting ANYONE with half a brain to go out with, or even come near her, after the news of what her father does spreads around her school.  I for one am tired of musicians like Akins using their musical median to advocate actions that are ILLEGAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the issues and discussions concerning whether it is morally justifiable for &#8220;dad&#8221; to protect daughter&#8217;s virtue, the fact is this song (like many others on the radio) advocates/lends approval to acts or threatened acts that are against the law.  Period.  End of any other concievable justifications.  This song tells us it&#8217;s OK to tell anther person that if they don&#8217;t behave in a certain way, deadly force may be used against them.  &#8220;It&#8217;s all in fun, nobody&#8217;s gonna get hurt&#8221; (or words close to that, if memory serves me correct) are heard towards the end of the song.  If it were me picking up this guy&#8217;s daughter and heard those words, my cell phone would be out calling the police within seconds, and I can also say with some certainty that this girl would be having some difficuly in getting ANYONE with half a brain to go out with, or even come near her, after the news of what her father does spreads around her school.  I for one am tired of musicians like Akins using their musical median to advocate actions that are ILLEGAL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Emotionally Abusive Personality: Is She a Borderline or a Narcissist? by julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mike # 49, 

Thanks for speaking up about your situation. It is an eye opener, alright.</description>
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<p>Thanks for speaking up about your situation. It is an eye opener, alright.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Emotionally Abusive Personality: Is She a Borderline or a Narcissist? by julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR, 

***&quot;He is one of the hemophiliacs infected with the Aids virus, via blood products,&quot;****

This must have been a challenge and a half to deal with. My neighbour across the road from my family home was a haemophiliac and he got AIDS when we were just teenagers through blood. 

Very sad. 

***How do you spot them? A good question. From my limited but real live experience, there are sighs that give them away.***

This was a one and only experience for me  (a few years back)  so I think it is good to discuss signs to be better prepared.  

**** They are very controlling and jealous of your time. Control is paramount to them.*****

I think it is already too late once it gets to this stage. 

**** Watch out if they try to keep you from family and friends, because of some perceived challenge to them.*****

Oh yes! Watch out if they try and use your family and watch out when they set you up against your friends and society at large. But not even friends can believe this IMO and if they do, I think they want to stay out of it. 

**** They are never wrong, and even in a general discussion, if you present another idea, they feel assaulted. They are always right. Their response is a dead giveaway. They can not discuss things.***

I didn&#039;t get into a intimate relationship in any way so I think this is something it may progress into. Yes? No?

**** They are extremely manipulative. ****

I like the way others here have mentioned threatening suicide.  We had a couple of friends we shared and all seemed normal to me. Infact, he seemed to just joke with me and he was chasing another female. We seemed to just be friends as we shared friends.  

But he phoned me one day and invited me to his home town with one of my sons. He made out that he was contemplating suicide and somehow I got sucked into this and agreed we would go.

His parents raised his son and the family was lovely. We also spent a night at his friends house for a party and that&#039;s how I met his mates. They were a terrific group of ordinary people to me. On the second day of staying at his mate&#039;s house his mate and another guy were playing with me in a flirtatious way. It was harmless and I felt his friends had considered me a sensible female and mother and I didn&#039;t feel unsafe. I was flattering if anything. 

Anyhow ,he attacked one of the guys and the guy hit him pretty hard where he almost lost his sight in one eye. He also starting acting in a very strange controlling way as if he was angry at me. But his friends just ignored his behaviour as if this was normal for him. 

When we returned home I wanted to lesson our connection because that is when I realised this was creepy.  

He played my son, he played our connected friends and he stalked me. 

One of the female friends we both knew kept hounding me to go to the police but I wouldn&#039;t because I felt that would be feeding him and I thought if I just ignored him, it would pass. 

But I did go after a few months to enquire what I could do. They phoned him up saying to me, &quot;It will cost you over a $100 for an order but we could just have a word with him&quot;. 

Anyhow, the cop came back and told me I had to leave him alone and that he had already gone to the police saying I had threatened to kill him but had decided at this stage he wouldn&#039;t press charges.  So now, I was the baddie and he was slowly setting me up as a possible killer. 

So I decided I would take a holiday, y&#039;know, have a break; get away from the situation. 

When I arrived back home children&#039;s services came to my door and told me they had received one of the worst reports on me as a mother. They told me it was really bad and that because of the seriousness, they were going to have to investigate all my friends to decide whether they were suitable around my children and whether I could be trusted to have my children in my care. 

They said they would be accepting to clear this up because of the way the complaint was given. They said, &quot;We get ex partners doing things like this sometimes and we can tell by the way they tell us how to do our job that it is a revenge complaint.&quot; 

The most annoying thing was that I had not been in a relationship with this man. He was not a ex anything because he had nothing to be an ex to. I had not even held his hand let alone kissed him or slept with him. Nor had I been out on a date and nor had I given any inclination I was interested in him. 

Now all my friends were afraid and I was having to keep them away else they had to have police checks and all sorts. And there was no-one I could turn to.  

When he realised I was onto him as the complainant (through the grapevine gossip) he went back to his home town to hide and on Christmas phoned my son offering him more gifts. 

That&#039;s when I had to tell his friend what he was doing to me. His friend said, &quot;Don&#039;t think we are all like this&quot;. 

That was that. They dealt to him and I never heard from him again and was able to clear my name and save my family. But I lost a few  good people in my life over this. 

Last I heard he died a couple of years ago. Sad that he was young but I can&#039;t feel sorry for him. 

*** And if you ever feel you have to walk on egg shells around them to prevent their anger and manipulation, watch out.***

Yes, I agree. You have to be careful not to get angry because they use it against you. 

.........

I think I have learnt a valuable lesson and have no problem believing men when they tell me they have been set up by their ex female partners. 

I can now imagine what it is like to have orders put on you when they are false accusations and what it is like when the system is set up against you. 

And I can understand someone thinking suicide is the only way out and appreciate the work others do to help men and women get away from these people and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR, </p>
<p>***&#8221;He is one of the hemophiliacs infected with the Aids virus, via blood products,&#8221;****</p>
<p>This must have been a challenge and a half to deal with. My neighbour across the road from my family home was a haemophiliac and he got AIDS when we were just teenagers through blood. </p>
<p>Very sad. </p>
<p>***How do you spot them? A good question. From my limited but real live experience, there are sighs that give them away.***</p>
<p>This was a one and only experience for me  (a few years back)  so I think it is good to discuss signs to be better prepared.  </p>
<p>**** They are very controlling and jealous of your time. Control is paramount to them.*****</p>
<p>I think it is already too late once it gets to this stage. </p>
<p>**** Watch out if they try to keep you from family and friends, because of some perceived challenge to them.*****</p>
<p>Oh yes! Watch out if they try and use your family and watch out when they set you up against your friends and society at large. But not even friends can believe this IMO and if they do, I think they want to stay out of it. </p>
<p>**** They are never wrong, and even in a general discussion, if you present another idea, they feel assaulted. They are always right. Their response is a dead giveaway. They can not discuss things.***</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get into a intimate relationship in any way so I think this is something it may progress into. Yes? No?</p>
<p>**** They are extremely manipulative. ****</p>
<p>I like the way others here have mentioned threatening suicide.  We had a couple of friends we shared and all seemed normal to me. Infact, he seemed to just joke with me and he was chasing another female. We seemed to just be friends as we shared friends.  </p>
<p>But he phoned me one day and invited me to his home town with one of my sons. He made out that he was contemplating suicide and somehow I got sucked into this and agreed we would go.</p>
<p>His parents raised his son and the family was lovely. We also spent a night at his friends house for a party and that&#8217;s how I met his mates. They were a terrific group of ordinary people to me. On the second day of staying at his mate&#8217;s house his mate and another guy were playing with me in a flirtatious way. It was harmless and I felt his friends had considered me a sensible female and mother and I didn&#8217;t feel unsafe. I was flattering if anything. </p>
<p>Anyhow ,he attacked one of the guys and the guy hit him pretty hard where he almost lost his sight in one eye. He also starting acting in a very strange controlling way as if he was angry at me. But his friends just ignored his behaviour as if this was normal for him. </p>
<p>When we returned home I wanted to lesson our connection because that is when I realised this was creepy.  </p>
<p>He played my son, he played our connected friends and he stalked me. </p>
<p>One of the female friends we both knew kept hounding me to go to the police but I wouldn&#8217;t because I felt that would be feeding him and I thought if I just ignored him, it would pass. </p>
<p>But I did go after a few months to enquire what I could do. They phoned him up saying to me, &#8220;It will cost you over a $100 for an order but we could just have a word with him&#8221;. </p>
<p>Anyhow, the cop came back and told me I had to leave him alone and that he had already gone to the police saying I had threatened to kill him but had decided at this stage he wouldn&#8217;t press charges.  So now, I was the baddie and he was slowly setting me up as a possible killer. </p>
<p>So I decided I would take a holiday, y&#8217;know, have a break; get away from the situation. </p>
<p>When I arrived back home children&#8217;s services came to my door and told me they had received one of the worst reports on me as a mother. They told me it was really bad and that because of the seriousness, they were going to have to investigate all my friends to decide whether they were suitable around my children and whether I could be trusted to have my children in my care. </p>
<p>They said they would be accepting to clear this up because of the way the complaint was given. They said, &#8220;We get ex partners doing things like this sometimes and we can tell by the way they tell us how to do our job that it is a revenge complaint.&#8221; </p>
<p>The most annoying thing was that I had not been in a relationship with this man. He was not a ex anything because he had nothing to be an ex to. I had not even held his hand let alone kissed him or slept with him. Nor had I been out on a date and nor had I given any inclination I was interested in him. </p>
<p>Now all my friends were afraid and I was having to keep them away else they had to have police checks and all sorts. And there was no-one I could turn to.  </p>
<p>When he realised I was onto him as the complainant (through the grapevine gossip) he went back to his home town to hide and on Christmas phoned my son offering him more gifts. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s when I had to tell his friend what he was doing to me. His friend said, &#8220;Don&#8217;t think we are all like this&#8221;. </p>
<p>That was that. They dealt to him and I never heard from him again and was able to clear my name and save my family. But I lost a few  good people in my life over this. </p>
<p>Last I heard he died a couple of years ago. Sad that he was young but I can&#8217;t feel sorry for him. </p>
<p>*** And if you ever feel you have to walk on egg shells around them to prevent their anger and manipulation, watch out.***</p>
<p>Yes, I agree. You have to be careful not to get angry because they use it against you. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I think I have learnt a valuable lesson and have no problem believing men when they tell me they have been set up by their ex female partners. </p>
<p>I can now imagine what it is like to have orders put on you when they are false accusations and what it is like when the system is set up against you. </p>
<p>And I can understand someone thinking suicide is the only way out and appreciate the work others do to help men and women get away from these people and move on.</p>
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