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- Dads on the Air (16 Nov 2009): International Mens Day Special -
With special guests:
- Dr. Elizabeth Celi
- Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh
- Diane A. Sears
- Jason Thompson
- Frank Crump and
- Uma Challa
We dedicate the whole of this weeks’ program to International Mens Day, which is finally and deservedly starting to get more recognition and traction around the world. Warwick Marsh, Dads4Kids who is the Global Coordinator for IMD, set the scene last week on Dads on the Air when he spoke about some of the events taking place in Australia and around the world to celebrate this important International event.
Our guests this week are from 3 different continents, representing millions of good and decent men around the globe, who currently witness themselves being publicly and relentlessly maligned on a daily basis. While there are exceptions to every rule, these should never be used to misrepresent the whole group in the way we now see men being portrayed.
We commence our International lineup of guests with Australia’s Dr Elizabeth Celi quality living who is the keynote speaker at the IMD function to be held at Australian Parliament House in the Nations’ Capital, Canberra, on the19th November. Dr.Celi is a strong supporter of the rights of men to be treated as an equal in a modern society, instead of having to face the daily injustices that confront them in many sectors of our community.
Next we speak with Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh from Trinidad in the West Indies, who is the founder of IMD and described the event in the following manner, “International Men?s Day is about addressing the challenges and problems that men face; improving gender relations between men and women; promoting gender equality; highlighting positive male role models – not just movie stars and athletes – but “everyday working class men who are living decent, honest lives”; and creating a safer and better world”.
We then speak with Diane A. Sears, IMD Coordinator in the USA, who puts it this way, “We must work together as a team. International Mens Day provides us with a great opportunity. Strong fathers create and sustain efficiently functioning family units which positively shape the minds and souls of our children – our future – our bridge to the future. After all, isn?t it really about our children?”
The person responsible for Global Promotions, who is also the Historian and Coordinator for IMD is Australia’s Jason Thompson and our next guest, who would like to take this opportunity to ask individuals and organizations who are planning an event to contact him with the details at: soulgany@bigpond.com
The following guest is Frank Crump from the USA and UPI Education, who with IN SEARCH OF FATHERHOOD® have entered into a partnership in observance of International Men’s Day 2009 on Thursday, 19 November 2009. UPI Education is asking students, faculty, and administrators to observe International Men’s Day 2009 through one moment of silence beginning at 11:19 A.M. (EST) and ending at 11:20 A.M. (EST) to commemorate and contemplate the sacrifices and contributions that Men have made throughout the world. UPI Education is also soliciting essays, articles, and poems from students and adults which identify the positive male role models that have influenced their lives. These essays, articles, and poems will be published on IN SEARCH OF FATHERHOOD®’s blog.
We conclude our program interviewing one of the hardest working and passionate promoters of equality and justice for all, Uma Challa from India. Uma Challa is the IMD Coordinator for India. She made the point that, “International women?s Day is celebrated the world over every year but we also need to have a celebration every year to recognize and honor men: our fathers, brothers, partners, sons, male friends and colleagues; for the numerous services they render and the innumerable sacrifices they make to ensure the health and well-being of the family and the society.” - Dads on the Air (09 Nov 2009): Family Law, Marriage and Men -
With special guests:- Sue Price
- Ian Purdie and
- Warwick Marsh.
This week we present an extensive discussion with Sue Price of the Men’s Rights Agency, on the topic of the proposed roll back of Australian Shared Parenting laws. These laws which are only three years old and which presented a tiny glimmer of hope for the nations’ children to continue to maintain regular contact with both parents, following their parents’ separation, are now again under threat by a Labor Government.
Next our own Ian Purdie from Ian Purdie dot com, speaks about his recent trip to Las Vegas, where he was best man at his mates’ wedding. While some would regard this type of wedding as somewhat bizarre and plastic, Ian enjoyed every minute of it and speaks about being driven to the wedding in a stretch limousine, seeing the names of the bride and groom in neon lights and watching the wedding ceremony being performed by Elvis.
The final guest this week is Warwick Marsh from the Fatherhood Foundation. Warwick speaks about the upcoming International Men’s Day celebrations planned for the 19th November, and of his work to bring this event to the attention of our Parliamentarians and the community. This International event will also be the main feature of our program next week, when we will speak with International organizers of this event from India, Australia, Trinidad and the USA. - Dads on the Air (02 Nov 2009): Indigenous Men's Health -
With special guests:
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Ashley Gordon and
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Craig Hammond.
This week we’re broadcasting to you from the opening of the week long National Men’s Health Gathering in Newcastle, which is about 2 hours north of Sydney. This national event occurs every alternate year and the whole week is dedicated to the health issues facing men today and how we can best deal with those issues.
The state of health of Australian men has been ignored and neglected for many decades by successive governments, while at the same time, the cultural landscape for men, has in recent times come under severe attack from many sources, causing a further deterioration in the well being of the nations’ men and boys.
We are dedicating the whole of this weeks’ program to the opening day at this year’s National Men’s Health Gathering, which starts the week with the 5th National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Male Health Convention.
We also speak with former rugby league star Ashley Gordon, “Aboriginal people and gambling” a dedicated Aboriginal leader and one of the organisers of the convention. Ashley is joined by fellow convention organiser and Aboriginal leader Craig Hammond, “The Brothers Inside Project” who is also committed to improving the physical and mental health of the nations’ Indigenous men.
If we want to see what is in store for our men and our culture, we need look no further then the enormous task faced by our Indigenous community to restore the health, dignity and well being of their men and boys. To their great credit and our national shame these communities are working hard to re-engage their once proud Men and have their cultural landscape restored.
The deplorable state of mens’ health in Australia, is in no small part due to the fact that it has by and large been ignored by Australian governments and the media. Despite the fact that we are proud to be able to claim that Dads On The Air were the only media organisation to cover this important national week long event, it is an absolute disgrace that the nations’ media completely ignored reporting on this event and the dire state of our mens’ health. -
- Dads on the Air (26 Oct 2009): Men's Business -
With special guest:
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Ian Watson.
A leader in the field of mentoring his fellow man, Ian Watson is a shining light of hope and encouragement to those suffering at the hands of agenda driven zealots, who are hell bent on destroying the resilience and natural inner strength of men and boys.
He runs popular monthly men’s gatherings where men talk men’s business. Ian’s well attended “Transit Lounge” gatherings, provide a welcome sanctuary from the many real life experiences men suffer at the hands of government sponsored agencies and the media, whilst many of their kids are forced to live in fatherless households.
While the gender war against men and boys rages unabated around the globe, we see an apathetic and ignorant community laughing at all the demeaning anti male advertising propaganda, that sees them easily drawn into joining the “all men are perpetrators ” domestic violence hysteria.
However, there are encouraging signs that men have just about had enough, and are collectively starting to show their enthusiasm for more pro-active engagement with one another. Mentoring is fast becoming the accepted new communication tool to support those that have fallen victim to some of the worse excesses of male bashing persecution, the world has ever witnessed.
We also broadcast a recording made at the National Men’s Health Convention recently, of the presentation made by psychologist Drew Cowen who works in the Family Court in Newcastle, and who’s theme was “Giving Kids the Best Dad they can have: Helping Fathers and Kids to have strong healthy relationships when they don’t live in the same home”.
Now on the face of it, such a caring sounding title would indicate an understanding of what fathers and their kids are forced to endure , as they desperately try to keep their parent/child relationships intact following separation. But to many dads in the audience it appeared that the one preaching to them, was part of the problem and not the solution. -
- Dads on the Air (19 Oct 2009): Behind The Black Robes -
With special guests:
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Barbara C. Johnson and
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Paul Stolz.
We commence this weeks’ program speaking with American lawyer and author Barbara C. Johnson who’s latest book “Behind the Black Robes: Failed Justice” which has just become available. This book addresses a serious problem, the need for court reform and the abolishment of judicial and quasi-judicial immunity. Marinated with the makings of sizzle, the book is filled with the courts’ tricks and traps for the unwary. It sets out to alert the readers both why their law cases failed and what must be done to effect court reform.
Barbara C. Johnson is an unconventional 74 year-old, who has long been a fierce advocate for fathers’ rights in family courts. She is an outspoken critic of the Massachusetts court system, which she says is rife with corruption.
Secondly we speak with Paul Stolz, who is the CEO of Victorian support group “Evolve” which provides a supportive environment for disadvantaged young people to evolve into strong, caring and purposeful individuals.
Young men in today’s society face many challenges – they are struggling educationally, emotionally and socially. Without early intervention and on-going support, many are at risk of tragic futures involving broken relationships, crime, substance abuse and even suicide.
Evolve’s Young Men’s Program is an early-intervention option for young blokes who want to work through their challenges and build a more positive future for themselves. -
- Dads on the Air (12 Oct 2009): Threats To The Family -
With special guests:
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Barry Maley
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Dr Elizabeth Celi and
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Sue Price.
We start the program interviewing Barry Maley, who is a Senior Fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies in Sydney. Barry has released a report Family on the Edge – Stability and Fertility in Prosperity and Recession in which there are surprising findings leading to some major recommendations. Birth rates have been studied between a low point of 2001 and a recent high point of 1.93 per woman in 2008. The increase is strongly associated with the rising prosperity of that period. With the financial threats and the continuing prevalence of children bei ng born to single mothers Barry argues for a change in family law and policies to encourage family stability. This would be a major factor in being able to sustain the buoyant birth rate.
Our second interview is with Dr Elizabeth Celi, well known Psychologist and social commentator who in the course of her work in mental health has encountered examples of domestic abuse which are sometimes too subtle to affect our sensibility. Elizabeth discusses recent television advertisements that would cause immediate offence if a female character were to be substituted for the male character in the script. We also talk about communication strategies and ways that can improve relationships and mental health.
Our final interview is with Sue Price from the Men’s Rights Agency. Sue has been conducting a survey on the Family Relationship Centres and we discuss progress with the survey. One of the problems that has been identified so far is with regard to a particular psychological theory that may be imposed by the Centres. We might have expected that the Centres would use the Government money to mediate and listen to the parties rather than impose a particular theoretical approach on the parties in dispute.
In coming weeks we will be presenting interviews obtained at the National Men’s Health Gathering held in Newcastle last week, at which Dads on the Air was represented by Peter van de Voorde and Greg Andresen. -
- Dads on the Air (05 Oct 2009): Action On Men's Health -
With special guests:
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Greg Andresen
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Ray Kelly and
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Geoffrey Greene.
We start the program by doing a live cross to the National Men’s Health Gathering 2009, being held in the city of Newcastle. Greg Andresen reports on the planned activities for the four day event. While a significant national event, which only takes place every alternate year, it sees Dads on the Air as the only member of the national news media to attend this important National Convention on Men’s Health issues, for the full week.
Greg Andresen and Peter van de Voorde, who are representing Dads on the air at the conference, will be recording a number of presentations and have planned a series of interviews with leading participants that will be aired in coming weeks on our program.
Our second interview is with Indigenous leader Ray Kelly, an academic based at Newcastle University, who gave the opening presentation at the 5th National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Male Health Convention. This Convention was the forerunner to the National Men’s Health Conference and the National Family and Relationships Forum, and was devoted to Indigenous issues where men’s health issues are even more predominant than in the general community.
We also speak with Geoffrey Greene the President of the Shared Parenting Council of Australia, about the three separate inquiries into Family Law being conducted by the Rudd Government. He argued that despite the concerted push to wind back the Family Law reforms introduced by the Howard government, the Trade Union movement would be a force within the ALP to block these changes. The Union movement wants to avoid a return to the dark ages when fathers only saw their children intermittently, if at all, following separation. -
- Dads on the Air (29 Sep 2009): Men Caring For Men -
With special guests:
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Paul Elam and
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Prof. Robert McLachlan.
First up we speak with Paul Elam, who is the Editor–in-Chief of the world’s leading men’s website Mens News Daily and the publisher of A Voice for Men.
Paul worked as a men’s rights advocate for two decades in the mental health field, advocating on behalf of men that were affected by misandry and feminist doctrine in clinical treatment settings. Paul focuses his efforts now on exposing the mendacities of modern feminism, especially in their impact on the daily lives of men.
Our second interview is with Professor Robert McLachlan who is a Principal Research Fellow at Prince Henry’s Institute and is Deputy Director of Endocrinology at the Monash Medical Centre as well as being the secretary of the International Society of Andrology.
He specialises in the area of male reproductive medicine and has made significant contributions to the research in endocrinology, infertility and andrology. He combines his academic career with active clinical practice as a consultant in these fields. -
- Dads on the Air (22 Sep 2009): Iron John -
With special guest:
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“Athol”.
This weeks show deals with American author, Robert Bly’s insightful interpretation of the Grimms brothers fairy tale “Iron John”. “Iron John” tells the story of a boy who is mentored by a wild man thru various trials and tribulations to emerge a hero and eventually marry the King’s daughter.
Iron John is also the name of a men’s group based in Sydney that meets regularly and deals with issues arising in its member’s lives. We are privileged to interview one of the members of this group who identifies himself as Athol.
In his book, ‘Iron John; a story about men’ Bly interprets the original tale, explaining its relevance to the development of the pre-industrial male psyche whilst lamenting the failures of modern society to correctly initiate boys into manhood and the subsequent disastrous impacts upon the lives of modern men and women. -
- Dads on the Air (15 Sep 2009): The Emasculated Vikings -
With special guest:
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Joakim Ramstedt.
Today we speak with well known Swedish musician, human rights activists and political Blogger, Joakim Ramstedt. He and his popular band Tequila Sunrise have released a new album, with many of the songs referring to the various elements that comprise the destructive International family justice system, which is doing so much harm to unsuspecting separating parents and their children around the globe.
Throughout history, people have found ways to separate children either from one or both of their parents and extended families. This phenomenon can be traced right back to medieval times.
Modern man has fine tuned the methods used to accomplish this insidious practice and has even found a way to make it legal to do so, by creating a court of law that hides behind the mantle of “In the best interest of the children”, while it severs many of the world’s children from half of their biological family tree. -
- Dads on the Air (16 Nov 2009): International Mens Day Special -
Ladies, Only YOU Can Prevent Cheating
Fox New’s LaToya Foster made a good start holding women responsible for chasing rich or powerful men in her latest piece Ladies, Only YOU Can Prevent Cheating. Beyond Foster’s piece resides the reasons why so many women behave this way.
Rich and powerful men ranging from Hollywood stars to politicians are literally stalked every day by lovely gigalettes in flirty clothing. These women make conquests of powerful married men hoping to displace the man’s wife, blackmail him into supporting a single-mother lifestyle, or get famous and make it big in Hollywood.
Using power to get sex is illegal in business. We call it sexual harassment. Men get sued for this every day. But using sex to seize power and money in or out of business is a fully legal and entitled activity - especially when the woman gets herself pregnant.
In France, mistressing is not unusual, nor is it commonly a blackmail profession leading to forced entitlement by governmental fiat. French socialist women don’t mind sharing the wealth a bit with other women. Mistressing is morally corrupt — perhaps one step away from polygamy — but it is not as destructive as the American way.
American “mistressing” is far worse from perspectives of morals, marriage, and public safety because it is founded on entrepreneurial predatory behavior by women. Our arrangement uses babies as pawns in the continuing feminist war on marriage.
In the U.S., there are many ladder-climbing gigalettes who have no qualms about becoming super-entitled single parents. The Title IV system baits women to profitably invade the marriages of other women, and then we wonder why they do it. The richer the man, the better.
As we see in the case of John Edwards, this attitude is moving to America. There are simply too many single women willing to loot other women’s marriages, and a lot of married women not willing to give up their seat at the front of the bus when it happens.
Gigalettes certainly appear to want it that way — becoming freewheeling entitled mistresses living the feminist dream. This is specifically why these women go after powerful married men, avoiding powerful single or available men. Unfortunately, predatory mistressing often does not work well for them or their children.
Men often take all the blame for these situations. This is unfair to them. It is not easy to rebuff the wiles of an army of captivating women expert at man magnetism. Women who happily barge into other women’s marriages certainly deserve far more public attention and condemnation than currently paid. After all, America has a record number of available unmarried men they should be focusing their futures on.
Some gigalettes are (at least to some degree) political operatives working to destroy the targeted politician. Any woman can legally “assassinate” a politician by placing him in a sexually compromising position. You will notice there has been a lot of this style of community activism against key conservatives lately.  Feminists are experts at sexual warfare. We can expect that at least some of the take-downs of conservatives were organized by liberal political action groups — the women likely paid to do so.
This effect is not limited to the tremendously rich or powerful men. We see it happening to middle-class men who are often taken advantage of by poor or uneducated women looking for a steady gravy train to support a single-mother lifestyle.
Women who attack other women’s marriages make a tragic mistake: Marriage is the only institution that guarantees women everything they need from men. A woman who take the cheap route rarely does anywhere near as well as she would if she were a man’s loving wife.
That wedding ring is there for a reason beyond the obvious one: to tell others to take their business elsewhere. Wise men and women take their business elsewhere and end up successful for it. The unwise usually end up in a mess.
But the root of the problem rests not with blaming men or women for these situations. The finger must be pointed squarely at Congress for continuing to expand entitlements destroying marriage and the futures of millions of women and children. We cannot blame women for pursuing fully legal entitlements.
We must hold Congress responsible for funding the wanton destruction of marriage and the widespread social and economic destruction. A good chunk of the $800-billion HHS budget directly or indirectly drives America’s marriage-absence problem.
Marriage-absence drives our greatest national fiscal problems such as the lack of health care coverage, retirement shortfalls, the home loan crisis, exploding illegitimacy rates, and increasing poverty of women and children. Marriage Values reforms of federal law are long overdue and will be welcomed by the vast majority of taxpayers and businesses.
Women who voted for Obama in droves will again be disappointed — Democrats cannot replace the natural advantages of marriage with governmental substitutes at any cost. Women who voted for Obama will not get free housing, cars, or sustainable communities at any cost.
Conservatives will recapture Congress and the Presidency only when they pursue brilliant Marriage Values policy changes and demonstrate to both women and men that marriage always delivers the best prospects for individual and mutual success and happiness.
Behind every successful Congressperson is almost always a successful wife or husband. While not everyone can be a Congressperson, just about everyone wants success. The next conservative revolution will begin with inclusive and strong Marriage Values leadership that will lead by example and then deliver to all Americans policy changes ensuring the freedom, liberty, and benefits that only marriage delivers.
© 2009, David R. Usher
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Women do not "get themselves pregnant." Men get women pregnant. This does not mean women are without responsibility. In the vast majority of cases, sexual intercourse occurs with the woman's consent.
There is, however, an exception to the rule that men get women pregnant. Some women make use of sperm banks or at least sperm donations and — although something from a male is necessary — this minority of women might indeed be said to "get themselves pregnant."
I agree that it is best for children if they are born inside happy and stable marriages.
July 5th, 2009
Oh God…more "it takes two to tango" crap. Morals, biology, and law are three separate and distinct areas. If the law allows for bad behaviour (or, as in this case, outright ENCOURAGES bad behaviour), people will engage in said bad behaviour.
When I hear women telling other women to keep their legs closed if they don't want a baby, with the same hard-hearted lack of compassion shown men, then and ONLY then will I take that crap…men do not enjoy the same rights and freedoms women do…this is a LEGAL construct, not social or biological reality. This imbalance carries through to nearly every single facet of family life…and everyone knows it. It's friggin cliche for crying out loud.
The point is, and I'll just right out and say this…
WOMEN have screwed up the institution of marriage out of pure, unadulterated selfishness. As a man, I have no desire to compete at home with a "strong independant woman", nor do I want to expose myself to the various and sundry "rights" women have (that ultimately mean I have none…gee, guess it really IS a "zero sum game") to destroy my life on a whim. CERTAINLY not for some feckless individual for whom personal responsibility and loyalty basically means it's all about her.
Women are increasingly "pricing themselves out of the market". And I'm really, REALLY sick of men getting the blame for this.
July 5th, 2009
All: note how feminists cling to completely unsupportable old wives tales. There is plenty of proof that women of all ages have children out of wedlock intentionally. Feminists actually organize this activity.
see:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain...
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/exc...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29663943/page/2/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27706917/
http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_fa...
July 5th, 2009
Cites:
Single women who are moms by choice
Octo-Mom: "I Was Lying To Myself"
Teenage mothers see pregnancy as a 'career move'
Single, pregnant and panicked
Survey of girls: Unprotected sex common among teens
Hispanic Family Values?
July 5th, 2009
All: note how feminist activists insist on selling us completely unsupportable old wives tales intended to make feminism appear a valid victim rights movement. There is plenty of proof that women of all ages have children out of wedlock intentionally. Feminists actually organize this activity.
Here are a few cites proving Noe is lying. Noe is an experienced activist. She cannot claim she does not know that she is misrepresenting the truth.
Single women who are moms by choice
Octo-Mom: "I Was Lying To Myself"
Teenage mothers see pregnancy as a 'career move'
Single, pregnant and panicked
Survey of girls: Unprotected sex common among teens
Hispanic Family Values?
July 5th, 2009
I am representing the biological truth: Males get females pregnant through sexual intercourse. Females do not "get themselves pregnant" unless you wish to look at making use of sperm donations in that light.
The truth that males get females pregnant does not mean that females bear no responsibility for getting pregnant — except in rape cases. However, the biological truth is that females become pregnant through sexual intercourse with males.
July 5th, 2009
Your point was intended to create the illusion that women do not intentionally get themselves pregnant out of wedlock. That is the point I responded to and the point you are now attempting pretend you did not make. Denise, you constantly change the subject and attempt to be a moving target. That game does not work with me.
July 6th, 2009
There is no illusion here. Women simply do not get themselves pregnant. A female may have 18 orgasms a day, as I often did when I was a teenager, but if no male is helping, as none was helping me, she will not get herself pregnant.
Males get females pregnant. Females may desire to get pregnant, both in and out of wedlock. I prefer that they get pregnant within happy marriages and not as single girls or women. Again, the point is that, whether or not a female wants to get pregnant, she does not "get herself pregnant" unless you are referring specifically to artificial insemination.
July 6th, 2009
Denise- you are rapidly losing what little credibility you had left. It is women who CHOOSE to get themselves pregnant, whether by sperm bank, lying about being on contraception, or otherwise. Women have numerous safe, effective, and private forms of contraception that they, and they alone, can CHOOSE to use or not use with or without her partners knowledge or consent. Men and women can both choose whether or not to have sex, but only women have the CHOICE to become (or remain) pregnant. Since women screamed long and loud for these CHOICES, they and they alone bear responsibility for them.
July 7th, 2009
Girls and women often WANT to become pregnant. But except for those who make use of a sperm bank, they CANNOT get themselves pregnant. They have to engage in sexual intercourse — something that usually requires a consenting male partner. The male gets the woman pregnant. She may want to get pregnant. She may not want to get pregnant. But she doesn't get herself pregnant. It's not something — like having orgasms — that we females can usually do for — or to — ourselves.
July 7th, 2009
Here's how it works. The male and the female engage in sexual intercourse. The male reaches an orgasm and ejaculates semen into the female's vagina. Sperm from that semen may travel up the woman's reproductive system. A sperm from the male's ejaculate fertilizes a female's egg. Thus, the male gets the female pregnant.
July 7th, 2009
Feminists and their lackeys in government have discarded a social system that successfully harnessed men willingly to the business of rearing children. Their "alternative" is the slavers whip. Feminists refuse to acknowledge that the untrammelled authority that women enjoy over whether they produce a child or not carries with it obligations that are not borne by men. In failing to acknowledge the simple fact that authority and responsibility come in equal measure, they set men up to be reduced to simple slavery so that women can enjoy choice without consequence.
July 7th, 2009
If men "get women pregnant" then it is only reasonable that men "get" to choose wether or not to abort the baby. The woman should have no say. It should be the man's choice exclusivley…
Of course that was tongue-in-cheek. But I do think it gets to the point. Sure would change the dynamics, wouldn't it?
July 7th, 2009
When my brother was a "boy" an older woman seduced him and she got pregnant. She told him she would not but she did. The courts didn't charge her with rape, they tried to figure out how and when to get child support from a 15 year-old.
In this case I believe she got herself pregnant with his assistance.
July 8th, 2009
Steven, he got her pregnant. However, if he was underage and she was an adult, he could be considered not to be responsible for the consequences of getting her pregnant. The fact that he got her pregnant does not mean that other facts could not release him from the legal financial consequences of siring a child.
Again, at the biological level, he got her pregnant. Since he did not have the legal ability to consent to the act by which he got her pregnant, it would be perfectly appropriate to charge her with statutory rape or another crime for the act by which he got her pregnant.
July 8th, 2009
How on earth can you hold her responsible for an act which only he performed? That's hardly logical.
July 8th, 2009
The man gets the woman pregnant. In most cases, the woman consented to the man performing the act by which he got her pregnant.
July 8th, 2009
And the boy we were referring to statutorially raped _himself_? How remarkable!
July 9th, 2009
The boy got the adult woman pregnant.
The adult woman statutorily raped the boy.
July 9th, 2009
but she didn't do anything!
July 9th, 2009
She voluntarily engaged in sexual intercourse with a person whom the law says was off-limits.
No, she didn't "get herself pregnant." Yes, she did something — and that something broke the law.
July 9th, 2009
By voluntarily engaging in sexual intercourse, she got herself pregnant. deliberately erasing the womans actions from any account of what takes place results in exactly the kind of silliness that I just had so much fun mocking.
July 10th, 2009
Wrong. Women do get themselves pregnant. Pregnancy is something over which they have almost total conrol. They have control over whether or not they have sex in the first place. They have control over most birth control methods (the best methods). They have control over abortion. Women control this issue almost completely.____A man and sexual activity is usually a necessary prerequisite for pregnancy (at least traditional pregnancy) but it is the woman who controls whether pregnancy results from this sexual activity. The traditional approach of a man entering marriage with the intention of children still happens of course. However, increasingly children are resulting from unmarried sex and the man never intended pregnancy. The pregnancy resulted from the woman's choices. It was her decision and her choices. ____Sometimes, I want to say that men should never trust a woman with respect to birth control. However, sex involves so much trust now that a man literally puts his life at risk by having sex (allegations of rape, sexual harassment, etc.). He might as well trust her on birth control because he is trusting her with his life. If you think I am exaggerating, Steve McNair just lost his life for having sex with a woman.
July 10th, 2009
That is exactly right — pricing themselves out of the market.
Men now cannot really expect any benefit from a relationship with a woman everything from housecleaning to loyalty to sex is gone. It might exist temporarily but rarely long term, and there is certainly no socially or legally enforced right to anything a man wants.
On the other hand, a man has obligations that are rigidly enforced. Further, if he steps even a little out of line (either in reality or imagination), he is destroyed by the law (of course, she can step way, way out of line and nothing happens to her usually).
The bottom line is that the costs and risks way, way exceed the benefits.
Women just don't understand that at some point they destroy marriage (in fact, they destroy all relationships between men and women).
We are at the point where many if not most relationships are short term. Women are getting pregnant during these relationships (sometimes a single sexual encounter and yes these women get themselves pregnant). The law rigidly enforces obligations against the man for a child he never agreed to father (he agreed only to sex).
The whole thing sucks big time IMHO. I can see the day when men not only avoid long term relationships but even short term relationships. Actually, I think that is already happening. I understand there is much less dating activity, etc. now than earlier years.
July 10th, 2009
I was not erasing the woman's actions. I was stating biological truth. Females simply can't get themselves pregnant. When I was by myself as a non-dating, non-kissing teen girl, I got myself many orgasms. But I didn't get pregnant. I couldn't get myself pregnant.
Biologically, the male impregnates the female. Usually, the act that impregnates occurs with the female's consent.
July 10th, 2009
All,
Denise likes to play word games that inure to the benefit of feminist theory. Noe ignores our point: "Getting herself pregnant" has to do with the womans intentions when she does have sex. Noe is playing an immaculate conception game with us.
The fact is this: To get pregnant, all a woman has to do is "be there", not take her birth control pill (while saying she did), and then have sex with a fertile male. This is what women who intend to get pregnant outside marriage do. That is their intent, and it occurs today in record numbers.
In contrast: I have never met an average normal man who intentionally impregnated a woman out of wedlock (Note: ultra-rich Hollywood stars and similar mistress-keepers who can afford the intentional lifestyle of having "status babies" are excluded).
All the normal men I have met were tricked into. If there are any average men out there who knew that birth control was not being used and intended to have a child out of wedlock, please let us know.
July 13th, 2009
This has zero connection to "feminist theory" and everything to do with biological truth. Feminists weren't even around when the biological process of sperm and egg either evolved or was designed.
"Immaculate conception" is actually the idea of the Roman Catholic Church (and perhaps others) that Mary was created without sin so she could be worthy to carry and give birth to Jesus. It is not about the virgin birth itself and, except for pregnancies through artificial insemination, we're not talking about virgin births.
The biological truths are these: Males impregnate (or "get females pregnant."). Females become pregnant.
In the highly charged areas of sexuality and reproduction, people –both males and females — tend to lie a lot. I once asked someone why it is that females are more apt to reach orgasm through masturbation than with a man and she replied, "A woman's not going to lie to herself. With a man, he tells you he loves, the next day you see him with another girl." Both sexes give each other fake names, pretend an affection or attraction they don't feel, or misrepresent their circumstances. Females often fake orgasms. Males who want to have sex with a particular female may claim to be sterile when they are not. Yes, the female who is deceived in this way doesn't have to carry the pregnancy to term but may either abort (whether legally or illegally) or commit suicide. Unmarried women — and married women — who want to get pregnant may tell a partner they are using contraception when they are not. This scenario doesn't change the biological fact that the male has impregnated and the female gotten pregnant.
Quite often, a male who has vaginal intercourse with a female doesn't intend to impregnate her. His only real intention is to engage in the pleasure of vaginal intercourse. This can be true of married men as well. A wife who wants to have a baby and knows her husband doesn't want a baby might lie to him about her use of contraception. Again, he has impregnated and she has gotten pregnant.
July 13th, 2009
Men (and women) have the ability to control their environment. A man "makes" a woman pregnant only to the extent she allows this to happen. She is in control in this day and time almost completely of whether this happens. Thus, she causes it to happen.
I am reminded of the gun debate. Yes, a gun and a bullet kills in one sense, but not really. It is the person who pulls the trigger who kills. You cannot blame physical or biological facts for what is within your control. You have the ability to control what happens.
Women have a much, much better "control" over what happens than men with respect to pregnancy. Thus, women get themselves pregnant (not men).
July 13th, 2009
There you go again, Denise.
July 13th, 2009
There I go again, stating biological truths. Perhaps if a lady inseminates herself with a turkey baster, it would be appropriate to say "she got herself pregnant" even though male sperm was required. However, if she gets pregnant through sexual intercourse, she was impregnated by a male — whether or not that was his intention. Again, I think the primary intention of most men most of the time — both married and unmarried — who engage in sexual intercourse is to enjoy its pleasure rather than to impregnate but they certainly are the ones who impregnate.
July 13th, 2009
"All the normal men I have met were tricked into. If there are any average men out there who knew that birth control was not being used and intended to have a child out of wedlock, please let us know."
Haven't you ever heard of unmarried people who CHOOSE to have children because they BOTH want them but don't want to marry? I know three such couples - and I DON'T know many parents under 40, mind you, so that's a relatively high percentage. There are plenty of others in the news now and then, not necessarily that rich or famous. Not to mention poor teen boys who can't "feel like men" with their girlfriends on the Pill, as journalist Leon Dash wrote in his book.
BTW, while I realize that Big Pharma has plenty of reason to believe that new male birth control methods will not be a hugely profitable industry due to STDs and the continued need for condom use, it just MIGHT think again if a lot of MRAs - and ordinary men - would be willing to go on TV and the radio and SAY that they really do want the new methods, will pay for them and use them, if only because they and their wives agree that they simply cannot afford more children in this economy and/or don't want them. But do they? No.
(For a nice long discussion on that, search for "Sorry ladies, the male birth control pill is not about you" by George Dvorsky.)
Oh, and for the record, I've asked both Marc Rudov and Bernard Chapin to speak up in their columns regarding new MBC methods and the benefits that would come from them. They both responded - and made it pretty clear they're not interested. This is inconsistent for both of them, given their continued emphasis on men's need to stand up for themselves, however uncomfortable it might be.
July 15th, 2009
I seriously doubt that drug companies believe there is no profit in male birth control.
I also seriously doubt that most men use condoms most of the time especially with respect to committed relationships.
I think male birth control would sell like mad.
Whatever the reasons male birth control never seems to come to market, I am sure that the reason is not lack of potential profits.
If it worked and it worked without significant bad side effects, I think damn near every man who has no desire for further children would be taking it.
The pill created a sexual revolution in the 1960s. A male pill would create a new one.
Fear of pregnancy is a huge inhibitor to sex at least for me.
There is no way I am going to risk pregnancy under my life circumstances. I am sure that I am not the only man who feels this way. By the way, I don't trust condoms.
Why don't I get snipped? I am not sure. I have never subjected myself to surgery, and I don't particularly like the idea, frankly.
July 16th, 2009
Let me spell things out a little more clearly: Men in short-term relationships use condoms, often because women and society tend to insist on them. However, men in long-term relationships tend to trust the women they sleep with when they say "I'm taking care of the birth control, don't worry." (I wouldn't be surprised if one factor is that many married men are so sick of years of condom use that they feel that one male privilege of marriage should be not having to use ANY male BC.)
So, in all likelihood, the only men likely to use new MBC methods are rock stars and athletes, whose groupies very often don't want condoms to be used - and everyone knows it - AND those everyday married men whose wives BEG them to use a male method as a backup to her own BC.
Again, if men want new methods so much, where is the evidence for this outside of online gossip? Especially when it comes to, oh, fundraising?
July 16th, 2009
Fundraising? Did women have to "fund raise" to get birth control methods? That is kind of curious. Who am I suppose to send a check to?
I can guaranty to you that this man would use MBC if it was available, and I am no rock star or athlete. I think women don't have a clue how men feel on this issue.
July 17th, 2009
"Fundraising? Did women have to 'fund raise' to get birth control methods?"
Well, Margaret Sanger was only a nurse from a large family and I never heard of her being independently wealthy, so in all likelihood, yes, she did have to rely on fundraising in order to give thousands of dollars to the developers of the Pill. Also to open her family-planning clinic nearly a century ago - again and again, since it got shut down at least once by the police under the Comstock laws.
"That is kind of curious. Who am I suppose to send a check to?"
Here are a dozen or so addresses you can ask for more information on that:
http://malecontraceptives.org/activism.php
July 17th, 2009
Actually I see nothing wrong with cheating. Well I do see it as pathetic when the man grovels and apologizes afterwards. The last thing men should be is possessive about women.
August 21st, 2009